ScummVM IRC Log - 25 Jun 2022

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[02:30] <grogbot> <antoniou79> Well the Enhanced Edition game did just get an update on Steam and now includes the classic version powered by ScummVM
[02:34] <grogbot> <antoniou79> The new Steam launch game screen. The ScummVM version bundled in this update is 2.5.1.
[02:34] <grogbot> <antoniou79> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/990082448048160899/Update2506.png
[02:35] <grogbot> <antoniou79> The SUBTITLES.MIX file is not included (as of yet) and still has to be downloaded separately from our site.
[02:39] <grogbot> <antoniou79> The subtitlers' credits in the Enhanced Edition are still incorrect though.
[02:43] <grogbot> <antoniou79> I quickly tested changing language from the Steam Properties for the game. It includes the official localized version similar to GOG's release.
[03:38] <Scummette> [scummvm] dreammaster pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/KDr1vM
[03:38] <Scummette> scummvm/master 08da901 dreammaster: CHEWY: Fix cursor disappearing using fn keys whilst menu open
[03:38] <Scummette> [scummvm] dreammaster pushed 1 new commits to branch-2-6: https://is.gd/URyI6i
[03:38] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-6 b5f25a4 dreammaster: CHEWY: Fix cursor disappearing using fn keys whilst menu open
[04:18] <Scummette> [scummvm] elasota pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/ilbezU
[04:18] <Scummette> scummvm/master d8886e4 elasota: MTROPOLIS: Fix paused videos taking a long time to unpause.
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[09:12] <Scummette> [scummvm] BeWorld2018 closed pull request #4042: MORPHOS: update credits (master...morphos-credits) https://is.gd/D4SKAe
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[11:15] <Scummette> [scummvm] einstein95 opened pull request #4045: DIRECTOR: Yet more games, remove some of detection_paths (master...director_detection) https://is.gd/KoIqKX
[11:17] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- closed pull request #4045: DIRECTOR: Yet more games, remove some of detection_paths (master...director_detection) https://is.gd/KoIqKX
[11:17] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 2 new commits to master: https://is.gd/HSEE2p
[11:17] <Scummette> scummvm/master 1dc9201 einstein95: DIRECTOR: +The Fortune Teller v1.3, Ant Farm, ImIsion 369 v2.1
[11:17] <Scummette> scummvm/master a9421cf einstein95: DIRECTOR: +Tenrou Toshi, Critical Path, The Secret of the Hunchback (Mac), Theatre of the Imagination (Win)
[11:23] <Scummette> [scummvm] einstein95 opened pull request #4046: DIRECTOR: Actually add Tenrou Toshi entry (master...director_detection) https://is.gd/yThYas
[11:39] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/4DmLWi
[11:39] <Scummette> scummvm/master 7c94c87 einstein95: DIRECTOR: Actually add Tenrou Toshi entry
[11:39] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- closed pull request #4046: DIRECTOR: Actually add Tenrou Toshi entry (master...director_detection) https://is.gd/yThYas
[11:43] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/MlRBSa
[11:43] <Scummette> scummvm/master 111c045 sev-: DIRECTOR: Fix compilation
[11:50] <grogbot> <madmoose> My phone just spazzed out and cleared all the twitter notifications from my lockscreen& It's probably trying to save me from anxiety attacks.
[11:52] <grogbot> <antoniou79> 😄
[11:55] <grogbot> <L0ngcat> I posted this in the Nightdive discord, but of course it got deleted, so I'll post it here instead. And Madmoose got banned from their server anyway. Holy sh*t. I have not liked Nightdives butchered releases for years, and I suspected they would completely ruin this game as well. And @sev, I know you have had your controversies and disputes with other ScummVM team members over the years, based on you lack of communication skills and
[11:55] <grogbot> controlling behaviour, but this was the final straw. The treatment of the situation and madmooses work is simply deplorable. I have supported ScummVM since it was first started, but today, that stops. What sad people you have become. It's a pity it has come to this, but it's all on you, and the choices you have made along the way. https://twitter.com/HoneyPockets/status/1540594953042046977
[11:56] <grogbot> <sev> @L0ngcat do I read it correctly that you state I mistreated madmoose?
[11:57] <grogbot> <L0ngcat> I state that you mistreated the situation, and madmooses work. So, no, you did not read that correctly.
[11:57] <grogbot> <sev> may I ask you, how in your opinion I did do it?
[11:57] <grogbot> <sev> what did I wrong in this situation?
[11:58] <grogbot> <L0ngcat> "The real sev here. I am not madmoose we are working in backgrounds with Nightdive on addressing some issues with the ScummVM bundle"
[11:59] <grogbot> <sev> you confuse me. This was my reference to earlier statement of Kwama that madmoose and sev are the same person
[11:59] <grogbot> <L0ngcat> Why are you supporting Nightdives move to put the ScummVM version on Steam and gog with their bundled releases?
[12:00] <grogbot> <sev> what makes you think I am supporting it? I did not even know about it coming
[12:00] <grogbot> <sev> I told I am working on fixing the mess. For example, they have to fix credits for the translation and they need to inlcude subtitles.mix to the bundle
[12:01] <grogbot> <sev> they have the agreement with IP rights owners, they comply to GPL by including full source code. I cannot stop them, but I have to defend the project from mistreatment and violation of the license
[12:02] <grogbot> <sev> but yes, I am stupid idiot who cannot communicate for years
[12:02] <grogbot> <sev> and control everything
[12:02] <grogbot> <madmoose> @L0ngcat In no way do I feel mistreated by sev.
[12:03] <grogbot> <L0ngcat> I see. In that case, I apologize.
[12:03] <grogbot> <antoniou79> The tweet by their moderator is highly offensive and unbacked by the way
[12:03] <grogbot> <antoniou79> She claims we are not fully honest
[12:03] <grogbot> <sev> @L0ngcat sorry for being salty, but you just misrepresented me in front of two communities
[12:04] <grogbot> <antoniou79> I take personal offense at that
[12:04] <grogbot> <sev> and accused and deeply offended me
[12:04] <grogbot> <sev> your apologies are accepted, but this is truly the last straw
[12:04] <grogbot> <sev> on my side
[12:04] <grogbot> <L0ngcat> I read sevs statement as jumping in to handle things in the background with Nightdive, while at the same time having their moderators put forward untrue accusations
[12:04] <grogbot> <sev> bye
[12:04] <grogbot> <L0ngcat> That is fine. I stand by y other comments.
[12:05] <grogbot> <sev> @L0ngcat "I know you have had your controversies and disputes with other ScummVM team members over the years, based on you lack of communication skills and controlling behaviour, but this was the final straw. The treatment of the situation and madmooses work is simply deplorable. "
[12:05] <grogbot> <sev> my final question to you
[12:05] <grogbot> <sev> ah, not even bother
[12:05] <grogbot> <sev> I wanted to ask, whom to appoint as the lead
[12:05] <grogbot> <sev> we now have four co-leads, now three
[12:06] <grogbot> <sev> I'm done with this stupidity
[12:06] <grogbot> <L0ngcat> Yes. Several team members have left over the years, because of your behaviour. And as far as I have understood, you have moved all game sources to private servers.
[12:06] <grogbot> <L0ngcat> Good luck.
[12:06] <grogbot> <rootfather> 🍿
[12:08] <grogbot> <antoniou79> Just to clarify. As another member who has worked hard on the Blade Runner engine, and still works on maintaining it, I see no mishandling of the situation by sev or any other team member.
[12:08] <grogbot> <antoniou79> I am extermely disappointed by how this release was handled by NightDive Studios and also GOG
[12:10] <grogbot> <madmoose> Don't use me as an excuse to vent on sev. If sev and I have have disagreements about how to handle this situation we will continue to talk about them personally. I have no doubts about his honesty here.
[12:19] <grogbot> <eientei> They're not in the server anymore
[12:19] <grogbot> <eientei> Neither is sev
[12:25] <grogbot> <antoniou79> Literally what was the point of that.
[12:25] <grogbot> <eientei> To raise drama
[12:26] <grogbot> <eientei> someone who thought Nightdive didn't have someone who's job it is at community management trying to "defend" them from a perceived enemy
[12:27] <grogbot> <antoniou79> I am writing from a personal perspective here but pointless negativity likes this, attacking ScummVM team is draining good will that is needed for me to work on the project. I will always accept criticism and feedback on my work, and hold me to it if I seem not to.
[12:28] <grogbot> <antoniou79> But this out of the blue attack at a time that we're frustrated by a bad release of a game we love very much and spent time on supporting it's just too much
[12:29] <grogbot> <treloret> Time for a cool down period maybe... That went from rubbish bin fire to forest fire pretty quickly.
[12:31] <grogbot> <timofonic> Seeiously. I'm not a developer at all but just a lurker. But if Sev exits the project, I'll do n it. I'm nobody, but I don't want to even follow a project that attacks a very long time contributor that made the project very successful. I avoid any project with ego wars. I'm very disappointed with L0ngcat behavior, seriously. And Nightdive should burn in hell.
[12:32] <grogbot> <eientei> No one here is attacking sev
[12:32] <grogbot> <timofonic> I'm sorry then, the discussion went chaotic it seems
[12:35] <grogbot> <timofonic> Anyway, I support sev. I'm nobody, of course
[12:36] <grogbot> <eientei> To summarise the situation as I see it: Nightdive released an underbaked product GOG removes the ScummVM-supported product in favour of this product GOG reinstates the ScummVM-supported version as an add-on, a decision which "was made with input from multiple parties" (ScummVM was excluded from this input) Nightdive bundles in the ScummVM-supported version into the Steam release
[12:36] <grogbot> <eientei> All of which was completely legal, albeit scummy
[12:37] <grogbot> <timofonic> Atari did the same, others too. This will always happen, dishonest companies/organizations and individuals will always be there. It's part of human nature
[12:40] <grogbot> <treloret> coughGTA 3 Definitive Editioncough
[12:42] <grogbot> <timofonic> That too
[12:42] <grogbot> <timofonic> Sarcastically definitive, yes
[13:06] <grogbot> <criezy> I go out for lunch and I miss all the drama... As a long time member of the time, and as I feel the criticisms from L0ngcat were not fair, I will say two things: 1. Yes there have been conflicts in the past, and sev was partially to blame (but certainly not the only one). But I feel he has learnt and improved, and I have no criticisms for the way he has behaved and been leading the project in recent years. 2. And I am very grateful to him for
[13:06] <grogbot> keeping the project afloat at a time when it was struggling a few were ready to take on some responsibilities and help him. It clearly wasn't easy for him. And I am now happy to see that the project is healthier, and this is in big part thanks to him.
[13:12] <grogbot> <madmoose> I've been upset and sad about the GOG/Nightdive situation but now I'm heartbroken. Sev has been a great support and to have that falsely used against him was wrong. I'll try to limit my comments about this in this public forum for now.
[13:26] <grogbot> <timofonic> I'm not a developer, but I followed this project from early 2000s. There's a few people always remembering others his possible faults all time, but that's a minority from my pov. Nobody's perfect and I don't see it so bad as a few others said over the years, I see it as very occasional misunderstandings and maybe some of the reason is that he's strict, as he's very experienced. He's a professional senior software project manager,
[13:26] <grogbot> sometimes the right choice to make a project succeed might be controversial too. He does a lot of unpaid volunteer work for the project. He's very ethical towards the project, from my point of view. This project lacks the drama and ego wars other Open Source and/or retro projects have, from my point of view. If you think this is drama, look at other popular projects.
[13:27] --> <grogbot> joined just the day before, this will immediately impose a lifetime ban from the project. That's it.
[13:27] <grogbot> <timofonic> About Nightdive: That company is a very bad joke and managed by scammers. From my personal point of view, of course.
[13:29] <grogbot> <timofonic> I personally think that might be a very high priority project rule, from my very humble non project member opinion
[13:29] <grogbot> <rootfather> From now on, it certainly is.
[13:30] <grogbot> <timofonic> Even wrote in certain kind reasonable of code of conduct or any other official document, after an official agreement by team members
[13:33] <grogbot> <timofonic> I think it would be nice to have a lawyer for the project too, legal sanctions might be necessary in extreme cases. There's people that loves to bully people. Of course, finding a volunteer for that might not be easy and a paid one too expensive.
[13:41] <grogbot> <madmoose> Thank you, rootfather. This is a policy I support 100%.
[13:43] <grogbot> <timofonic> If I ever act stupid, please ban me too ASAP. I'm not a developer nor project member, but I agree too
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[14:28] <Scummette> [scummvm] eriktorbjorn pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/284nua
[14:28] <Scummette> scummvm/master 78c8bd2 eriktorbjorn: BASE: Print error messages on invalid command line parameters again
[14:29] <Scummette> [scummvm] eriktorbjorn pushed 1 new commits to branch-2-6: https://is.gd/qtawBP
[14:29] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-6 2805e66 eriktorbjorn: BASE: Print error messages on invalid command line parameters again
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[18:54] <Scummette> [scummvm] criezy pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/5R5lHl
[18:54] <Scummette> scummvm/master 97f4535 criezy: BASE: Add back default to 60 for engine_speed settings
[18:56] <Scummette> [scummvm] criezy pushed 1 new commits to branch-2-6: https://is.gd/VmrEdx
[18:56] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-6 858c1db criezy: BASE: Add back default to 60 for engine_speed settings
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[20:20] <grogbot> <larsman> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/990350684480241774/IMG_1506.jpg
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[20:31] <grogbot> <citral> sev has always been courteous, grown up, and very sympathetic is all his comms with devs, don't let a random dude fool you. Yes he takes care of the project's integrity so sometimes disagrees with changes, which is normal. But I've never ever seen a clash. This is one the most friendly discord I've ever witnessed tbh.
[20:31] <grogbot> <citral> Until today that is.
[20:55] <grogbot> <citral> "benevolent" comes to mind when I think sev
[20:58] <grogbot> <timofonic> He's a extremely experienced professional senior project manager in real world, offering his skills here in a volunteer unpaid way. I think that must be appreciated.
[21:01] <grogbot> <citral> Yup, being harassed for what you do for free can be really difficult to swallow.
[21:01] <grogbot> <citral> Let's hope he just takes a break.
[21:02] <grogbot> <timofonic> These kind of people exist everywhere, unfortunately. We can't change the world right now, but avoid the damage by these kind of people as much as possible with stricter rules and policies
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[21:49] <Scummette> [scummvm] aquadran pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/WgM8fw
[21:49] <Scummette> scummvm/master 15bbb4d aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Rearrange constructors initialisation to match original code.
[21:51] <Scummette> [scummvm] aquadran pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/Xo7Qxu
[21:51] <Scummette> scummvm/master 928c40d aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Moved code into one ifdef condition
[21:54] <grogbot> <citral> insert salt
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[21:56] <Scummette> [scummvm] aquadran pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/6Nr4JC
[21:56] <Scummette> scummvm/master 5a48d52 aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Janitorial
[22:01] <Scummette> [scummvm] aquadran pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/4USsPn
[22:01] <Scummette> scummvm/master fba843e aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Added few missing cleanup entries, code match with original
[22:02] <Scummette> [scummvm] aquadran pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/qFO9wy
[22:03] <Scummette> scummvm/master 814e0af aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Merge code into one opcode as original
[22:04] <Scummette> [scummvm] aquadran pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/iPIr38
[22:04] <Scummette> scummvm/master f4ff4b3 aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Added missing deallocation, match with original
[22:11] <grogbot> <Thunderforge> https://www.eurogamer.net/popular-fan-made-blade-runner-restoration-relegated-to-controversial-enhanced-edition-add-on
[22:13] <Scummette> [scummvm] aquadran pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/Dkpaj4
[22:13] <Scummette> scummvm/master edf162e aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Use better named function for vector3d length
[22:14] <Scummette> [scummvm] aquadran pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/asjsRx
[22:14] <Scummette> scummvm/master 5dd7b39 aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Added missing TinyGL ifdef
[22:17] <Scummette> [scummvm] aquadran pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/2ABAou
[22:17] <Scummette> scummvm/master 6946bf2 aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Moved code to match original
[22:18] <Scummette> [scummvm] aquadran pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/Tuf7ts
[22:18] <Scummette> scummvm/master 55e59d9 aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Rearrange code to match original
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[22:20] <Scummette> scummvm/master 0c3baef aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Restore original looking code
[22:22] <Scummette> [scummvm] aquadran pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/UXL8dx
[22:22] <Scummette> scummvm/master aa37cd7 aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Restore missing check, matching original
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[22:23] <Scummette> scummvm/master 7c892d6 aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Restore call, matching original
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[22:24] <Scummette> scummvm/master 9681cdd aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Remove duplicate code, matching original
[22:25] <Scummette> [scummvm] aquadran pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/jh6UbT
[22:25] <Scummette> scummvm/master 0ca0545 aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Restore constructor initialisers and moved code, matching original
[22:27] <ScummBot> Build [#59](https://buildbot.scummvm.org/#builders/175/builds/59) of `master-vitaother` failed.
[22:27] <Scummette> [scummvm] aquadran pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/ONHVEi
[22:27] <Scummette> scummvm/master a2e5d23 aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Added missing code for scene geometry saving
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[22:29] <Scummette> scummvm/master 2225c1e aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: More aligned opcode stubs with original code
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[22:30] <Scummette> scummvm/master 583cf69 aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Use correct vector length function
[22:33] <Scummette> [scummvm] criezy pushed 4 new commits to master: https://is.gd/txC1yG
[22:33] <Scummette> scummvm/master 26d135d criezy: AGS: Make IAGSFontRenderer destructor virtual
[22:33] <Scummette> scummvm/master 7bd21ca criezy: AGS: Improve font deletion on ags_sprite_font_plugin
[22:33] <Scummette> scummvm/master 57fb472 criezy: AGS: Restored "Button::Animate^7" in API and fixed volume default
[22:35] <Scummette> [scummvm] aquadran pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/4E0I2Y
[22:35] <Scummette> scummvm/master b3ab826 aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Aligned with original and keep a fix for original code bug
[22:36] <Scummette> [scummvm] criezy pushed 1 new commits to branch-2-6: https://is.gd/bGzR9Y
[22:36] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-6 9a74f0d criezy: AGS: Restored "Button::Animate^7" in API and fixed volume default
[22:37] <Scummette> [scummvm] aquadran pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/7nA43n
[22:37] <Scummette> scummvm/master d2e84cc aquadran: WINTERMUTE: WME3D: Restore original 'if' condition and fixed ported condition to match original
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[23:06] <grogbot> <Thunderforge> Say, does anybody have any of the following games from Little Ark? * The Story of Creation * Daniel in the Lions' Den * Noah's Ark They are all Living Books-style games that run on the Mohawk engine and are in the detection tables. I'm wondering how they run in ScummVM.
[23:07] <grogbot> <Thunderforge> More info about the games, but no sales info. https://little-ark.com
[23:43] <Scummette> [scummvm] mduggan pushed 4 new commits to master: https://is.gd/gk1eSE
[23:43] <Scummette> scummvm/master b1bb9aa mduggan: ULTIMA8: JANITORIAL: whitespace
[23:43] <Scummette> scummvm/master b23fd8c mduggan: ULTIMA8: Expand comments on a couple of U8 script fixes.
[23:43] <Scummette> scummvm/master b92c9f9 mduggan: ULTIMA8: Fix Crusader crash if splash item destroyed before damage happens
[23:44] <Scummette> [scummvm] mduggan pushed 1 new commits to branch-2-6: https://is.gd/rNgbvP
[23:44] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-6 df2121b mduggan: ULTIMA8: Fix Crusader crash if splash item destroyed before damage happens
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