ScummVM IRC Log - 24 Jan 2023

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[02:17] <Scummette> [scummvm] SaschaVasarrhelyi opened pull request #4660: Please Update AGS - Engine to the Newest in the New Scummvm - Dev Branch 2 7 (master...branch-2-7) https://is.gd/t4GxOw
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[03:41] <Endy> LeChuck going away for 5 for a quick OS upgrade :)
[03:43] <Endy> Okay make that a bit longer. "bash: reboot: command not found" oops..
[04:33] <grogbot> [discord] <Big Beef> Whats the difference between this and just regular dosbox
[04:34] <grogbot> [discord] <SupSuper> just more stuf
[04:34] <grogbot> [discord] <SupSuper> there's like 50 forks of dosbox all with their own pet features
[04:34] <grogbot> [discord] <SupSuper> but with their own pet bugs as well 😛
[05:13] <ScummBot> Build [#6886](https://buildbot.scummvm.org/#builders/19/builds/6886) of `master-psp` failed.
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[05:34] <Scummette> [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to branch-2-7: https://is.gd/3IifHW
[05:34] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-7 d46ce6d xaviu: I18N: Update translation (Catalan)
[05:42] <Endy> Okay, here we go...
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[06:42] <ScummBot> Build [#6887](https://buildbot.scummvm.org/#builders/19/builds/6887) of `master-psp` completed successfully.
[07:11] <grogbot> [discord] <Bluddy> Dosbox-staging is essentially dosbox 2.0. They reorganized the code and added features in a disciplined way.
[07:12] <grogbot> [discord] <Bluddy> https://dosbox-staging.github.io/
[07:13] <grogbot> [discord] <Bluddy> original dosbox is basically dead due to awful management
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[07:40] <grogbot> [discord] <somaen> There are multiple dosbox forks, Ive been using Dosbox-X myself
[07:43] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> Pretty sad that there is no "common" dosbox fork... I'm afraid that maintaining both the "staging" and the "X" fork drains resources
[07:45] <grogbot> [discord] <Bluddy> When staging came about, they thought about integrating X. X's goals are different though - it goes for the most thorough low-level emulation possible, at the cost of performance.
[07:45] <grogbot> [discord] <Bluddy> staging is the closest there is to a common dosbox fork. They've already integrated mt32 and fluidsynth nicely, and are working on 3dfx
[07:47] <grogbot> [discord] <Bluddy> Their server is here if you're interested https://discord.gg/3npTGvZ4TJ
[07:48] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> Very nice, thank you!
[07:55] <grogbot> [discord] <SupSuper> i can't imagine maintaining something like dosbox, every fork i tried had some random regression with some random game out of thousands. so at least "vanilla" is good enough for me
[07:55] <grogbot> [discord] <eientei> dosbox-x has been mostly supplanted by 86Box
[07:55] <grogbot> [discord] <eientei> The only thing the latter lacks is FM-Towns and PC-98 support
[07:55] <grogbot> [discord] <SupSuper> i thought that was the whole goal of dosbox-x
[07:56] <grogbot> [discord] <Bluddy> Interesting. So 86Box is a fork of Pcem. It focuses on accuracy bottom-up rather than top-down.
[07:57] <grogbot> [discord] <eientei> yeah
[07:58] <grogbot> [discord] <Bluddy> That's why good, modern development methods are a must. Original Dosbox is dead because its elitist devs didn't want to move out of their safe space based on old tech.
[07:58] <grogbot> [discord] <Bluddy> Very similar to the vim/neovim situation, except at least vim reacted.
[07:59] <grogbot> [discord] <SupSuper> eh i may be biased but the pursuit of accuracy always seems to come at the cost of usability and/or performance
[07:59] <grogbot> [discord] <SupSuper> like dosbox and 86box aren't really comparable
[08:00] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> At this point, I'm just eternally thankful that we have such a strong team working together, no matter if there are some controversial discussions from time to time. THANK YOU!
[08:00] <grogbot> [discord] <Bluddy> I'm really impressed by Staging. They're a good team and they're focused on compatibility and user experience.
[08:04] <Scummette> [scummvm] alxpnv pushed 1 new commits to branch-2-7: https://is.gd/VeiOzK
[08:04] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-7 c8cab9f alxpnv: ASYLUM: fix holding Esc only dismisses one line of dialog
[08:04] <Scummette> [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to branch-2-7: https://is.gd/dRHT1A
[08:04] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-7 be78cc9 : I18N: Update translations templates
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[08:26] <Scummette> [scummvm] bluegr closed pull request #4660: Please Update AGS - Engine to the Newest in the New Scummvm - Dev Branch 2 7 (master...branch-2-7) https://is.gd/t4GxOw
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[08:49] <grogbot> [discord] <Big Beef> Never knew that tbh, thought it was just slow on the blog updates but still receiving commits
[08:49] <grogbot> [discord] <Big Beef> So is staging the version everybody has moved on to now?
[08:50] <grogbot> [discord] <Bluddy> It's not as well known as plain dosbox, but it's definitely gaining momentum.
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[09:07] <grogbot> [discord] <Bluddy> Old dosbox is still being managed on SVN. They aren't willing to even transition to git. The result is that they have monopolistic control over the original project, and every bit of progress has to be managed via awful patches that are floating around. The patches are not being reviewed properly and consist of hack upon hack, dosbox itself is buggy and there are no methods to clean it up.
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[09:46] <Harekiet> Damn these elitist dosbox devs that mostly just have lost interest :)
[09:52] <grogbot> [discord] <Bluddy> Again, very similar to vim before neovim came about
[10:53] <grogbot> [discord] <mduggan> Bram Moolenaar retired from Google in 2021, I assume that also helped him focus back on Vim.. having some time off from work certainly was what got me going for real on ScummVM 🙂
[11:00] <Scummette> [scummvm] mduggan pushed 3 new commits to master: https://is.gd/1EG2Gy
[11:00] <Scummette> scummvm/master 3b94c06 mduggan: TETRAEDGE: Add simple corrupt save checks
[11:00] <Scummette> scummvm/master f18533b mduggan: TETRAEDGE: Slight cleanup for light directions
[11:00] <Scummette> scummvm/master 6c33b12 mduggan: TETRAEDGE: Fix suspicious use of pointers as integers
[11:28] <grogbot> [discord] <Big Beef> ah yes theyre 'those' kind of programmers
[11:28] <grogbot> [discord] <Big Beef> the ones that refuse to use anything modern because 'bro my old methods from 80s unix still works'
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[12:08] <grogbot> [discord] <eientei> he says, as his message is being relayed to ScummVM devs who use IRC
[12:08] <grogbot> [discord] <Big Beef> lmao
[12:09] <grogbot> [discord] <Big Beef> i have nothing against it, just refusing to adopt anything modern simply cause youre too used to old methods is a bit off
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[14:11] <Scummette> [scummvm] grisenti pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/x6ME0h
[14:11] <Scummette> scummvm/master 48c23c6 grisenti: HPL1: improve opengl error log
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[16:46] <grogbot> [discord] <DreamMaster> Oh boy, time for my old favourite XKCD comic to be posted again 🙂 https://xkcd.com/378/
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[17:52] <grogbot> [discord] <lephilousophe> well, at least an IRC client doesn't take half a gig of RAM to barely display some text 😉
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[18:43] <Scummette> [scummvm] lephilousophe pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/sPiHBw
[18:43] <Scummette> scummvm/master 0416279 lephilousophe: OPENGL: Fix glitch when shaking screen
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[19:18] <grogbot> [discord] <DreamMaster> Oooh, guess I can post my other favourite XKCD comic 😆 https://xkcd.com/1782/
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[19:42] <grogbot> [discord] <larsman> I think this is funny because its so true: https://xkcd.com/2347/
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[20:34] <Scummette> [scummvm] neuromancer pushed 3 new commits to master: https://is.gd/sj6xoB
[20:34] <Scummette> scummvm/master 8451257 neuromancer: FREESCAPE: adjusted PC speaker audio generation for Driller DOS releases
[20:34] <Scummette> scummvm/master 4a5a851 neuromancer: FREESCAPE: make sure pc speaker sounds are queue correctly and the mixer will not overload
[20:34] <Scummette> scummvm/master d194cd2 neuromancer: FREESCAPE: improved accuracy of pc speaker sounds
[20:37] <Scummette> [scummvm] mistydemeo pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/BsWxmu
[20:37] <Scummette> scummvm/master 574feaf mistydemeo: DIRECTOR: update detections
[20:40] <Scummette> [scummvm] mistydemeo pushed 2 new commits to branch-2-7: https://is.gd/AjruTl
[20:40] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-7 27ca45c mistydemeo: DIRECTOR: update detections
[20:40] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-7 5974105 mistydemeo: DIRECTOR: fix Phibos/Bem
[20:40] <Scummette> [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to branch-2-7: https://is.gd/i78f6e
[20:40] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-7 26402d8 : I18N: Update translation files
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[21:36] <Scummette> [scummvm] AndywinXp pushed 1 new commits to branch-2-7: https://is.gd/mdCtzp
[21:36] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-7 d1e6b4e lephilousophe: OPENGL: Fix glitch when shaking screen
[21:46] <Scummette> [scummvm] sluicebox pushed 3 new commits to master: https://is.gd/mUWGvd
[21:46] <Scummette> scummvm/master b5c2619 UrQuan1: SCI: Fix broken SQ4 save game deletion
[21:46] <Scummette> scummvm/master e81858c UrQuan1: SCI: Fix desynchronized kMenuSelect inversion
[21:46] <Scummette> scummvm/master 431f288 UrQuan1: SCI: Amend CAMELOT script patch description
[22:02] <Scummette> [scummvm] sluicebox pushed 3 new commits to branch-2-7: https://is.gd/1snBR2
[22:02] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-7 0f89797 UrQuan1: SCI: Fix broken SQ4 save game deletion
[22:02] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-7 40c5830 UrQuan1: SCI: Fix desynchronized kMenuSelect inversion
[22:02] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-7 bcb1645 UrQuan1: SCI: Amend CAMELOT script patch description
[22:02] <Scummette> [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to branch-2-7: https://is.gd/ZrXjFK
[22:02] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-7 53cc5c0 : I18N: Update translations templates
[22:12] <grogbot> [discord] <iNielsG> Hey guys! Got a question! (Im running on iPad iOS)
[22:12] <grogbot> [discord] <iNielsG> If I open Freddi fish 5 in ScummVM app it gives an color error, but if I open ScummVM in RetroArch the game will load....
[22:12] <grogbot> [discord] <iNielsG> is there a way to fix this in the app?
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[22:39] <digitall> DreamMaster: *ping*?
[22:40] <digitall> DreamMaster: Just a FYI, you might want to review the code in https://github.com/scummvm/scummvm/commit/0235b1a7e1e44f6d98d3b0f1f270c4edc1f5ce02 ...
[22:41] <digitall> I fixed the warnings, but the code looks suspicious i.e. the variables I commented out are set, but never used... instead class variables of the same name (but with underscore) are...
[22:42] <digitall> Not sure if code was in flux and it is leftover... or something is hinky with autocomplete fun in your editor :)
[22:47] <grogbot> [discord] <DreamMaster> digitall: Thanks for the reminder. Sev had mentioned it as well. I'll try to look into it soon.
[22:48] <grogbot> [discord] <DreamMaster> You're right, and it's likely simply that the code was in flux, and there's still a bit left
[22:49] <digitall> DreamMaster: No problem. I wasn't quite sure as it could have been an editor autocomplete being far too over-eager :)
[22:49] <digitall> Since you are aware and code is marked with FIXME, no action from me needed :)
[22:50] <digitall> Back to IRL.. I can look at ScummVM code in my copious free time :|
[22:50] <digitall> ttfn
[22:50] <digitall> P.S. Thanks for code :)
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[23:45] <grogbot> [discord] <Thunderforge> Which version of ScummVM are you using? 2.6.0 or a Daily? And can you post the exact error message?
[23:46] <grogbot> [discord] <iNielsG> Since the begining it shows this:
[23:49] <grogbot> [discord] <iNielsG> could not initialize color format
[23:49] <grogbot> [discord] <iNielsG> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/1067591966054961172/E5D11A65-8944-4BAC-895F-B582B7231332.jpg
[23:49] <grogbot> [discord] <iNielsG> Error while starting game: Not supported colormode
[23:49] <grogbot> [discord] <iNielsG> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/1067592107168116787/46FB07FB-087C-4703-931A-4606CE93FA7E.jpg
[23:50] <grogbot> [discord] <iNielsG> (This is native 2.6.0 ipa)
[23:52] <grogbot> [discord] <iNielsG> While on retroarch (scummvm 1.8) it works&..
[23:52] <grogbot> [discord] <iNielsG> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/1067592768018464798/30AC35C4-CFC9-495E-99CB-F61AB85ACE14.jpg
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