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[11:24] <bgK> is grogot broken or was there really no activity on Discord for the past few days?
[11:24] <bgK> *grogbot
[11:26] <grogbot> <Henke37> join us and find out
[11:27] <grogbot> <Henke37> another benefit of Discord: you don't have to keep a personal scrollback
[11:30] <bgK> no, thanks, I value my privacy
[11:31] <grogbot> <ZvikaZ> what's the difference between IRC and Discord w.r.t. privacy?
[11:32] <grogbot> <Henke37> the name of the server owner
[11:33] <bgK> I trust freenode not to scan my private conversations and sell data to third parties
[11:36] <bgK> (though I would much prefer a service with end to end encryption .. why didn't we switch to matrix?)
[11:38] <grogbot> <Henke37> discord uses TLS.
[11:40] <bgK> that's not what end to end encryption is about. it's about the server owners not being able to decrypt the conversations
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[11:43] <grogbot> <Henke37> and how do you expect the server to send the messages to people who join the conversation later?
[11:44] <bgK> by storing them encrypted
[11:44] <grogbot> <Henke37> and then handing out the decryption key to anyone who asks?
[11:45] <grogbot> <Henke37> i hope you realize the pointlessness in trying to keep someone from decrypting data when they are also in charge of key management
[11:48] <bgK> well the point is the server does not have the keys
[11:49] <grogbot> <Henke37> then who does?
[11:50] <grogbot> <Henke37> the public? that's worse
[11:54] <bgK> trusted parties. I'm not saying public room should be encrypted
[11:54] <bgK> *rooms
[11:56] <grogbot> <Henke37> a trusted party, such as a server?
[11:56] <bgK> trusted people if you want
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[12:02] <grogbot> <madmoose> All my discord messages are written by passing a message to a stranger in an alley. He doesn't know my and I don't know him.
[12:06] <grogbot> <ZvikaZ> @madmoose , how can I know if that stranger invented what he just wrote now in your name, or was it really originated by yourself??? 🧐
[12:06] <grogbot> <ZvikaZ> How do I know that I'm really me?
[12:07] <grogbot> <ZvikaZ> It's getting complicated from moment to moment...
[12:07] <grogbot> <ZvikaZ> Where are the good old pigeons?
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[12:08] <grogbot> <madmoose> @ZvikaZ Zero trust.
[12:16] <LePhilousophe[m]> bgK: you can join there through matrix
[12:22] <bgK> yes, sure
[12:23] <LePhilousophe> I have both so I can read there easily when commuting, but I am really attached to irssi
[12:25] <bgK> I think the strategy of matrix having a lot of bridges to other platforms is very good. Hopefuly it will encourage people to use native matrix rooms.
[12:32] <Scummette> [scummvm] yuv422 pushed 1 new commits to master: https://git.io/Jv16o
[12:32] <Scummette> scummvm/master aaaea78 yuv422: DRAGONS: Added map screen transition effects
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[12:44] <bgK> LePhilousophe: weren't you on rezosup circa 2005~2010?
[12:57] <LePhilousophe> I am still on it
[12:57] <LePhilousophe> not really active though
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[13:05] <bgK> oh, I should probably go visit, see who still hangs out there
[13:07] <LePhilousophe> many young people using telegram :/
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[17:45] <Scummette> [scummvm] ccawley2011 opened pull request #2152: Fullscreen (master...fullscreen) https://git.io/Jv1db
[17:46] <Scummette> [scummvm] ccawley2011 closed pull request #1981: BACKENDS: Change hasFeature implementations to explicitly reject unsupported features (master...hasFeature) https://git.io/Je7OW
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[20:58] <Lightkey> Hehe, I am not surprised by Discord proponents not understanding what E2E encryption is (and yes, Discord scans everything and bans people based on what they say, rap communities had to go look for something else because nigger was one of those banned words). I do wonder about the continued argument that you need a personal IRC server for logs, as if services like IRCCloud and The Lounge don't exist, or project
[20:58] <Lightkey> logs like LeChuck here.
[20:58] <Lightkey> Btw Blade Runner stream on twitch.tv/gogcom in two hours.
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[21:12] <grogbot> <madmoose> Lightkey: I understand what end-to-end encryption is, I just dont care about it in this context.
[21:22] <Lightkey> Context being communication? At least I don't understand why you would use Discord for a public channel but a different tool for when you would want E2E.
[21:26] <grogbot> <madmoose> Because it would raise the barrier of entry.
[21:30] <Lightkey> Okay, let's just assume I am not dumbfounded by that statement, what barrier?
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[21:34] <grogbot> <madmoose> You seem to be more interested in being upset and assuming the worst of others than talking. Ill just assume that this isnt a fruitful discussion and stop.
[21:35] <Lightkey> You just did what you accuse me of, you know?
[21:35] <Lightkey> Do you mean to use E2E for a public channel? No, just the same tool that can do unencrypted or encrypted channels, like Matrix.
[21:37] <grogbot> <madmoose> Might as well stick to irc then. People would continue drifting away and nobody new would join.
[21:40] <Lightkey> You mean to use Discord because it's Discord?
[21:41] <grogbot> <madmoose> I meant what I said.
[21:42] <grogbot> <rootfather> For the last time. Stop. this. stupid. discussions. about. Discord.
[21:43] <grogbot> <rootfather> @Lightkey
[21:44] <Lightkey> Whatever you say, Op.
[22:11] <grogbot> <_athrxx> @criezy We do have a rule not to translate debug/warning/error console output, right?
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[22:42] <grogbot> <criezy> I think so yes.
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[23:12] <grogbot> <sev> yes, because console output is kind of a problem, that's one. but second, more important reason is that we would like to understand what ScummVM says in the logs. E.g. if users provide logs by our request, those need to be readable
[23:22] <grogbot> <_athrxx> okay, thanks, that's what I remembered. I am just asking because of mididrv.cpp, line 537. That was a recent PR.
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