ScummVM IRC Log - 11 May 2021

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[03:30] <grogbot> <Thunderforge> I loaded the GOG.com Mac version of Ultima IV into ScummVM and was rather surprised that it thought it might be Winnie the Pooh!
[03:30] <grogbot> <Thunderforge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/841518161068949574/Screen_Shot_2021-05-10_at_10.25.58_PM.png
[03:32] <grogbot> <Wally> hahaha
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[11:04] <grogbot> <buzz lightyer> whats so funny
[11:04] <grogbot> <buzz lightyer> everything seems to be right
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[11:16] <grogbot> <Pitito> Where could I report some dreamcast tidbits? For example: Although the .ini configuration works, some options do not do it like fullscreen, or apect ratio, or filters, in short, everything related to the screen. The native resolution of dreamcast is 640x480p, I think that dreamcast would support that little rescaling in games like Myst, which you can only play in its original resolution. It would be nice to correct this aspect in the
[11:16] <grogbot> Dreamcast version. I have also located a bug with the screensaver, when the screensaver appears the game crashes, and returns you to the Dreamcast bios menu.
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[11:26] <grogbot> <Pitito> Maybe there is some command to deactivate the screensaver, but I have not found it
[11:27] <grogbot> <Mataniko> bugs.scummvm.org
[11:28] <grogbot> <Mataniko> aspect correction is to move from 320x200 to 320x240 and 640x400 to 640x480
[11:29] <grogbot> <Mataniko> since dreamcast just outputs at 480, aspect correction isn't necessary
[11:41] <Scummette> [scummvm] criezy pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/Jsv2m
[11:41] <Scummette> scummvm/master cc5d78b criezy: AGS: Use modified agsspritefont plugin for the Kathy Rain demo
[11:41] <Scummette> scummvm/master 43e4991 criezy: AGS: Move Kathy Rain detections to commercial games section
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[12:54] <grogbot> <lephilousophe> @Pitito Dreamcast post is not actively developed
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[14:19] <grogbot> <Pitito> @lephilousopheThen it would be good to report these errors to your developer, so that they take them into account for a next release
[14:23] <grogbot> <lephilousophe> the developer of Dreamcast port isn't actively working on it and may not have time for this, if you want your bugs to be take in consideration you can report them on https://bugs.scummvm.org/ as @Mataniko said earlier
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[19:07] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> Hi. I'm looking for system requirements for ScummVM stuff. I like to use original hardware but the enhanced Ultima games, for example, are such an improvement that it makes lots of sense to play them instead. Is there any kind of guidance that exists on system requirements? I have a number of old PCs set up and I hope to use the best fit. It would be great if there was some guidance so I could get a head start on getting them
[19:07] <grogbot> working well.
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[19:30] <grogbot> <Mataniko> do you have a more specific question? We have versions that run on Amiga, N64 and NDS - so pretty weak stuff
[19:30] <grogbot> <Mataniko> and games like Ultima don't exactly suffer much from performance issues
[19:31] <grogbot> <Mataniko> most likely if your old PC can run Windows XP decently, it can run most 2D games in ScummVM decently too
[19:32] <grogbot> <Mataniko> (we also have builds for 95, but I don't think anyone benchmarked us on a 486 with windows 95)
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[19:36] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> It would be on a PC. I have a 386SX which is period correct for the Ultima games before VII. And a Pentium MMX, a Pentium 3, a Pentium 4 and an AMD X6. The P3 and P4 could run XP comfortably, so I expect they would be ok then?
[19:36] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> The P3 has a connection to an MT-32 and SC-88
[19:36] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> The P4 doesn't have MIDI out
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[19:55] <grogbot> <Mataniko> i mean, there is no specific advantage to play these games on the old pcs vs any other platform if you're running within SVM
[19:56] <grogbot> <Mataniko> We don't have any sort of real performance measurements, so trying it out would be your best bet
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[19:57] <grogbot> <Mataniko> we don't emulate dos, so our code should be as fast as native cpp for the runtime
[19:57] <grogbot> <Mataniko> with some exceptions
[20:02] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> Ok. From the sounds of it then the P3 seems like the best bet
[20:02] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> But the non-emulation thing is important, that pretty much answers it outright.
[20:03] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> I prefer playing things on older PCs, I have a separate setup with a nice CRT monitor etc. I find doing it on my main PC feels thin, and emulatey and I struggle to focus. I'm thoroughly looking forward to playing them as convincingly "real" as possible
[20:05] <grogbot> <lephilousophe> @Dave Velociraptor why don't you use the original OS with original game, then? 🙂
[20:06] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> The improvements in Exult, xu4, Nuvie are too good to miss out on
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[20:11] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> I came across a note somewhere today that they had been added to ScummVM and I was really excited. I've been aware of ScummVM for a while and listened to a podcast interview of Eugene Sandulenko and it really highlighted how important and worthwhile the project is. So I'm thrilled that the Ultima enhancement engines have been added
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[20:14] <grogbot> <Khvostik> Wait till Crusader No Remorse/No Regret will be supported on Ultima 8 engine and try Might and Magic World of Xeen 🙂
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[20:15] <grogbot> <thoth> Exult isn't in ScummVM, but the others are.
[20:16] <grogbot> <Khvostik> Yea, u4, u6 and u8 are supported.
[20:16] <grogbot> <Khvostik> Dos versions
[20:16] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> Ooh, Thoth is my favourite Egyptian god. Never seen someone with his username before
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[20:22] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> I have Worlds of Xeen on the shelf too, under all the ultimas 🙂
[20:22] <grogbot> <Khvostik> CD version?
[20:23] <grogbot> <Khvostik> Cool!
[20:27] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/841773966124777472/20210511_212859.jpg
[20:27] <grogbot> <Khvostik> Great collection 🙂
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[21:32] <grogbot> <TheUp> Is there a way to dump all the memory of a DOS game with DOSBox's MEMDUMP command ? I know it runs on a system with 1 megabyte of RAM. MEMDUMP needs a selector giving it 0000:0000 + 1 Meg of length doesn't produce anything different before/after loading a savegame. Now I know the buffer used is in DS:DX, but I guess I do not understand even that... 😦
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[21:34] <grogbot> <TheUp> As I can't get anything different by selecting that area of memory either. MEMDUMP is called before and after this : seg000:F26D int 21h ; DOS - 2+ - READ FROM FILE WITH HANDLE seg000:F26D ; BX = file handle, CX = number of bytes to read seg000:F26D ; DS:DX -> buffer
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[21:34] <grogbot> <TheUp> CX is FFFF while the savegame is way below that in size
[21:36] <grogbot> <TheUp> I guess I've been spoiled by Win32 and its flat memory model
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[21:43] <grogbot> <mduggan> is it running in 16 bit protected mode? if so it may be beyond the first 1MB
[21:44] <grogbot> <mduggan> I'd have a look what the value of DS is and dump from there if possible. also I think CX=FFFF is sometimes used as "read it all", the return in AX will tell the number of actual bytes read.
[21:44] <grogbot> <TheUp> It's in real mode, with selectors
[21:46] <grogbot> <TheUp> I suspected that, thanks
[21:48] <grogbot> <mduggan> the other possibility is that the read fails, if CF flag is set on return that's why no memory changed
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[21:51] <grogbot> <TheUp> I'll check that. It seems that I need to bust out my old MS-DOS books. Also, it seems I've found the value I was seeking. Well, maybe. Will verify once I can work on this again tomorrow night. Thanks a lot for your kind answers 🙂
[21:53] <grogbot> <mduggan> no worries.. ralph brown's list is always helpful too: http://www.ctyme.com/intr/int-21.htm
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[21:53] <grogbot> <mduggan> to be honest I haven't used dosbox's memdump that much though 🙂
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[22:09] <grogbot> <sev> @Dave Velociraptor your best bet then would be to be the person who finally looks into the Allegro port
[22:10] <grogbot> <sev> because currently, we require SDL which does not run on on DOS
[22:10] <grogbot> <sev> or scrap Allegro and write a native DOS backend by yourself. It's not a big deal either
[22:10] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> Oh I don't need to run in DOS. I have win 98/XP on some of the machines. I got a really good answer to the questions I had. And it seems the Pentium 3 machine is going to be ideal
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[22:10] <grogbot> <sev> rught
[22:11] <grogbot> <sev> the smallest platforms where ScummVM was running were 25MHz and 4MB or RAM
[22:11] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> The P3 machine has MIDI out to the MT32 and SC88, and can comfortably run WinXP. It's going to be great
[22:11] <grogbot> <sev> of course, not many engines are able to run on that, but SCUMM was running nicely
[22:11] <grogbot> <sev> Ultima engine needs testing
[22:11] <grogbot> <sev> we have Win9x-compatible builds, you may try that
[22:11] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> I do have a 40mhz 386SX and while that's where I would play Ultima VI for example, if I wanted to run the bare game itself, I'd do Win XP on the P3
[22:12] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> All of the machines share the same CRT monitor, keyboard, mouse, mixer, speakers, MIDI out etc. So as long as one will do it then it'll "feel" the same
[22:12] <grogbot> <sev> I guess, also, for your purposes, it would be best to have split builds
[22:12] <grogbot> <sev> or enable plugins
[22:12] <grogbot> <sev> so you have only one engine in memory at a given moment of time
[22:13] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> I'm super confident about it now
[22:13] <grogbot> <sev> then I have a request to you
[22:13] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> I was aware of ScummVM in the past as how to play Lucasarts games but as I mentioned earlier it was only when I heard that podcast, that's when I realised how incredible the project is now
[22:13] <grogbot> <sev> when you manage to run it. Please, make couple of pics 😄
[22:13] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> Sure I can
[22:13] <grogbot> <sev> which podcast was that?
[22:13] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> I have a million plates spinning, but I move forwards inexorably to a point where I will finally play some games
[22:13] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> Let me find it
[22:14] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcMIWBfM8z8
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[22:14] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> My friend Neil interviewed Eugene Sandulenko
[22:14] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> And by the star beside your name that might be you
[22:14] <grogbot> <sev> oh, that horrible picture
[22:14] <grogbot> <sev> with the distorted face
[22:15] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> I listened to it rather than watched it. 🙂
[22:15] <grogbot> <sev> phew
[22:15] <grogbot> <sev> I hate it, could not watch
[22:15] <grogbot> <sev> and yes, I gave that interview
[22:15] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> https://audioboom.com/posts/7481815-eugene-sandulenko-scummvm-team-lead-on-reviving-point-click-adventures
[22:15] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> Still a thumbnail but no video 🙂
[22:16] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> As I said it took until I'd listened to that to really wake up to how much ScummVM has done.
[22:16] <grogbot> <ccawley2011> It could be neat to have a ports section on the screenshots page as a way of showcasing the platforms that ScummVM runs on.
[22:17] <grogbot> <sev> https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3MmgYyQDa8Y/SxLsqSKguKI/AAAAAAAAADk/iyI6p8ATNmY/s1600/N64-port.JPG
[22:17] <grogbot> <sev> like this
[22:17] <grogbot> <sev> if you did not notice, the console in front is running ScummVM
[22:18] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> Haha brilliant!
[22:18] <grogbot> <sev> 70,000 code revisions ago
[22:19] <grogbot> <TheUp> I have a Win9X/XP PIII System with a SB16 (real OPL 2 and 3) that could run it too. Interesting...
[22:19] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/841802219073699860/20210511_232101.jpg
[22:19] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> That's where it's hopefully going to do all I ask of it
[22:19] <grogbot> <sev> nice gear for Microsoft Flight Simulator
[22:19] <grogbot> <sev> or LHX?
[22:20] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> Tie Fighter 🙂
[22:20] <grogbot> <sev> heh
[22:20] <grogbot> <TheUp> Nice CRTs !
[22:20] <grogbot> <sev> yes, looks like 17"
[22:20] <grogbot> <sev> RICH
[22:20] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> 21"
[22:21] <grogbot> <sev> yickes
[22:21] <grogbot> <Khvostik> You might want to take a look at XWVM project (even tho it is not 100% like what ScummVM is)
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[22:21] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> Someone has mentioned that and yes, I certainly will. A guy I bumped into on a stream a long time ago (might call himself Raistlin?) talked about it
[22:21] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> Super exciting project
[22:25] <grogbot> <TheUp> I have a 19" crt iyama vision Master. For a Windows 10 machine. Nice monitor. But Windows 10 was a little surprised I guess for being used on a VGA monitor in 2021. Heh.
[22:25] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> Haha!
[22:25] <grogbot> <Dave Velociraptor> The latest I think I'll run on it is windows 7, but only if I have to
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[22:31] <grogbot> <ccawley2011> I opened an issue for this on Trac, since this does sound like an interesting thing to support: https://bugs.scummvm.org/ticket/12537
[22:32] <Lightkey> TheUp: Vision Master 450? That's the one I have, with the first 19" tube back in 1998.
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