[00:37] But modern habits are not so good too, being too verbose and redundant is an eternal issue too. I find verbose code more difficult to understand, and I'm a newbie. I open to many files and stuff and such at once, that's why I put as much as ram as possible on all my systems. I do too many things at once, wonders of hyperactive behavior x [00:38] 😅 [01:20] JohnnyonFlame (~quassel@179-107-139-139.zamix.com.br) joined #scummvm. [01:21] vliaskov (~vliaskov@77.13.233.7) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:21] JohnnyonFlame (~quassel@179-107-139-139.zamix.com.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:25] ccawley2011 (~ccawley20@239.51.115.87.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:25] JohnnyonFlame (~quassel@179-107-139-139.zamix.com.br) joined #scummvm. [01:32] Shine_ (~Shine@dynamic-077-008-168-036.77.8.pool.telefonica.de) joined #scummvm. 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[11:41] [scummvm] sev- pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/J3QRc [11:41] scummvm/master f06c176 sev-: SLUDGE: Remove another unneeded include [11:41] scummvm/master ef02391 sev-: SLUDGE: Properly dump floor data [11:41] scummvm/master 9759e9d sev-: SLUDGE: Dump zbuffer data [11:42] [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to master: https://git.io/J3QRW [11:42] scummvm/master 2fb55a1 : I18N: Update translation files [12:51] ajax16384 (~User@109.60.130.33) joined #scummvm. [12:51] #scummvm: mode change '+o ajax16384' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [12:51] Lightkey (~Darklock@p200300f697144e1322cf30fffe083718.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds [13:05] Lightkey (~Darklock@p200300f697144e0522cf30fffe083718.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #scummvm. [13:10] _sev (~sev@scummvm/undead/sev) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [13:13] _sev (~sev@d158167.upc-d.chello.nl) joined #scummvm. [13:13] _sev (~sev@d158167.upc-d.chello.nl) left irc: Changing host [13:13] _sev (~sev@scummvm/undead/sev) joined #scummvm. [13:13] #scummvm: mode change '+o _sev' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [13:31] ced117 (~ced117@opensuse/member/ced117) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:02] TMM (hp@fsf/member/pdpc.professional.tmm) left irc: Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. [14:02] TMM (hp@fsf/member/pdpc.professional.tmm) joined #scummvm. [14:02] #scummvm: mode change '+o TMM' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [14:32] ajax16384 (~User@109.60.130.33) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:38] ced117 (~ced117@opensuse/member/ced117) joined #scummvm. [14:46] ajax16384 (~User@109.60.130.33) joined #scummvm. [14:46] #scummvm: mode change '+o ajax16384' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [14:59] Do longer names of C variables make the final optimized executable larger? I hope not. [15:00] it depends, if it's a global exported symbol, it could [15:01] That makes sense, because it has to be available to linkers. [15:11] ny00123 (~ny00123@5.102.197.55) joined #scummvm. [15:37] ScummBot (~ScummBot@al.scummvm.net) left irc: Quit: buildmaster reconfigured: bot disconnecting [15:37] ScummBot (~ScummBot@al.scummvm.net) joined #scummvm. [16:05] Dominus (~dominus@unaffiliated/dominus) left irc: Quit: Oh no... znc died [16:07] Dominus (~dominus@unaffiliated/dominus) joined #scummvm. [16:09] I'm looking for voice actors for a small project I'm working on [16:23] cd (~cd@unaffiliated/cd) joined #scummvm. [17:03] Not if you strip the exe of debugging info... [17:10] @thoth you need to keep exported symbols else linker won't be able to resolve them in eg. plugins [17:10] In shared objects, yes. In executables, no. [17:11] you can take scummvm as an example: if you want your engine to make use of facilities provided by scummvm main executable you will need symbols in it [17:24] Wait but how would the dll be able to call back into the exe? [17:40] Begasus (~begasus@ptr-4qba4ec40kuacghj87q.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [17:47] girafe (~girafe@176-147-142-235.abo.bbox.fr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:49] girafe (~girafe@176-147-142-235.abo.bbox.fr) joined #scummvm. [17:52] because the linker resolves the symbols 🙂 [19:02] Harekiet (harekiet@kittens.harekiet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:03] Command sent by thoth [19:03] ...Yeah, but you can't link a DL back to the exe that dlopened it AFAICT. You'd need to have both of them link to some other library or you'd need to pass the requisite functions in the executable out to the DL as function pointers like what Quake 2 does. At which point identifiers in the exe are irrelevant [19:03] Harekiet (harekiet@kittens.harekiet.com) joined #scummvm. [19:53] I think that ScummVM works like that though [20:13] Strangerke (~Str_fail2@aputeaux-654-1-157-200.w90-62.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #scummvm. [20:16] ajax16384 (~User@109.60.130.33) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:42] Strangerke_ (~Str_fail2@aputeaux-654-1-157-200.w90-62.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #scummvm. 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