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[00:53] <Scummette> [scummvm] athrxx pushed 1 new commits to master: https://git.io/JPNqW
[00:53] <Scummette> scummvm/master 7b05bed athrxx: KYRA: avoid "adding '\0' to string" warning
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[04:45] <grogbot> <DreamMaster> The official 2.5 release now includes AGS support, so just download the AGS games in question, point ScummVM to their folders, and it should detect them. Though minor caution: one of the earliest Zak remakes isn't supported currently due to using some no longer supported (in AGS) functionality
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[05:51] <Scummette> [scummvm] einstein95 opened pull request #3489: DEVTOOLS: Return string encoded in Mac-Roman on error (master...dumper_companion) https://git.io/JPAvv
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[12:26] <Scummette> [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to master: https://git.io/JPxmv
[12:26] <Scummette> scummvm/master 95472a4 antoniou79: I18N: Update translation (Greek)
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[13:41] <grogbot> <Carnivol> Dunno if this is the right part of the Discord channel for this, but I've started populating missing translations for Norwegian (or, well, proposing/suggesting, as my account is not approved for straight up adding new translations). I see there's still some 4000 untranslated words or so. I figured I'd just try to add contribute some, here and there, whilst I've got some downtime at work before the Holiday season properly starts.
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[13:47] <grogbot> <trembyle> Great to hear! Thanks 🙂
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[13:53] <grogbot> <Carnivol> Good question. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some games using Nynorsk, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.



[13:58] <grogbot> <trembyle> Out of curiosity, is this changing over time? Is Nynorsk becoming more or less common?
[13:59] <grogbot> <Carnivol> Unless there are any known games or any known fantranslations in Nynorsk, I'd just add NO_NO or NO_NB and leave Nynorsk out for now (until something pops up)
[14:01] <grogbot> <Carnivol> I'd say Nynorsk is becoming sort of ... less common. To some extent. It's still taught in schools, it's still required that all sorts of government papers, laws, and so forth are available in Nynorsk "for those who wants/needs" that.
[14:02] <grogbot> <Carnivol> The government funded state channel also has a set requirement for the % of subtitles and/or content that needs to be available in Nynorsk and so forth, I believe (at least they used to have that)

[14:05] <grogbot> <trembyle> Thank you! This was very helpful 🙂
[14:05] <grogbot> <Carnivol> No problem. 🙂
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[14:31] <grogbot> <trembyle> You're from Sweden? Do you hear a lot of Norwegian where you live?
[14:31] <grogbot> <trembyle> I'm also curious how close Norwegian is to Danish.
[14:32] <eriktorbjorn> No, I hear very little I'm afraid. Though some bug reports at work are written in Norwegian.

[14:35] <eriktorbjorn> (And yes, I'm from Sweden.)
[14:37] <eriktorbjorn> I have no idea how close Norwegian and Danish are. I'm told Danish and Swedish are close, but I find it very difficult to understand spoken Danish at all.
[14:39] <grogbot> <trembyle> I need to travel to that part of the world someday, once travel is more a normal thing post-pandemic.

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[14:57] <eriktorbjorn> Carnivol: Never heard of it, but it seems to be there.
[14:59] <eriktorbjorn> I did like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHX-SjgQvQ which hopefully isn't region locked. (If it is, why did they bother to put English subtitles on it?)

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[15:36] <grogbot> <sev> @Carnivol here?
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[15:37] <grogbot> <Carnivol> Yeah
[15:38] <grogbot> <sev> @Carnivol I granted you permissions on the Weblate. Good luck and thank you for your contribution
[15:38] <grogbot> <Carnivol> Ah, excellent. Thanks.
[15:38] <grogbot> <sev> one important thing: do Maintenance -> Commit when you finish a chunk of your work for a day
[15:39] <grogbot> <sev> because if left overnight, it sometimes happens that it loses the translations, though you always can hook them from the translation history
[15:40] <grogbot> <Carnivol> Ah, right.
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[16:59] <Scummette> [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to master: https://git.io/JPpkP
[16:59] <Scummette> scummvm/master 246df4e tag2015: I18N: Update translation (Italian)
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[17:27] <grogbot> <somaen> To nitpick, the focus was never on anything really north. West, mid and east, but de-emphasizing anything of danish influence, is probably more correct.
[17:28] <grogbot> <somaen> Now I should go and translate some game into nynorsk out of spite, just to make sure one exists :p
[17:29] <grogbot> <trembyle> That is such a specific thing to do out of spite!
[17:29] <grogbot> <somaen> More seriously, I should check if Samlaget, the largest nynorsk publisher, has ever done a translation of some educational game, wouldnt surprise me.
[17:29] <grogbot> <trembyle> There are nynorsk publishers ... wow
[17:29] <grogbot> <trembyle> Sounds like there is probably a Director game
[17:30] <eriktorbjorn> somaen: I assume it's only in Swedish that "samlaget" translates to "the intercourse"?
[17:30] <grogbot> <somaen> To answer the question about Danish, its more or less the same language in written form, just drop the feminine forms, and swap p,t and k for b, d and g.

[17:31] <grogbot> <trembyle> That is indeed very close. In fact, we might be able to support some real-time "translations" 🙃
[17:31] <grogbot> <somaen> Oh, and Danish has different Numbers, counting in twenties
[17:31] <grogbot> <somaen> Somewhat similar to French
[17:32] <grogbot> <trembyle> I can't believe that another language has such an odd numbering system as French.
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[17:35] <grogbot> <somaen> Fire og halv fjerds= 74, as in four and half four ten
[17:36] <grogbot> <somaen> The last bit isnt as specific as in French, as fjerds is a word onto itself, but yeah.
[17:36] <grogbot> <trembyle> There are some Director games published by Samlaget. https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=232590794
[17:36] <grogbot> <somaen> Ivar Aasen, the creator of Nynorsk himself
[17:38] <grogbot> <somaen> If that isnt in Nynorsk, then someone doesnt know their audience

[17:39] <grogbot> <trembyle> Most games would fall under NO_ANY


[17:55] <grogbot> <trembyle> Are there potential users who could only read Nynorsk?


[17:58] <grogbot> <somaen> Basically youre trying to solve a non-problem, just use NB_NO everywhere, and NN_NO if we find one.
[17:59] <grogbot> <somaen> This isnt like the difference between EN_UK and EN_US, where an EN_ANY makes sense
[18:00] <grogbot> <trembyle> And I used ZH_ANY for Return to Zork, since it doesn't contain any Chinese text (only the FMVs were translated).
[18:01] <grogbot> <trembyle> Ok, point taken. We'll leave it as is and add Nynorsk when we have one.
[18:01] <grogbot> <trembyle> Actually the link above might be a good one to start with. Can you tell if it's Nynorsk from the back of the jewel case?
[18:33] <grogbot> <trembyle> Also @somaen what should we use as a language flag for Nynorsk?
[18:33] <grogbot> <Carnivol> That's very much Nynorsk on the back

[18:33] <grogbot> <somaen> All text there is in nynorsk
[18:33] <grogbot> <somaen> The Norwegian flag?
[18:33] <grogbot> <trembyle> For both?
[18:33] <grogbot> <somaen> Yes
[18:34] <grogbot> <Carnivol> Speaking of flags. Are there any supported games in any variation of the Sami language?
[18:34] <grogbot> <trembyle> yes
[18:34] <grogbot> <Carnivol> Nice.
[18:34] <grogbot> <trembyle> oh wait no
[18:35] <grogbot> <trembyle> sorry, was thinking suomi 😕
[18:35] <grogbot> <Carnivol> Yeah. That's not the same. That's Finland 😄
[18:36] <grogbot> <trembyle> I answered too quickly 😊
[18:36] <grogbot> <somaen> Would be quite cool if someone did a Sami translation of ScummVM tbh
[18:36] <grogbot> <trembyle> See, there is a clear flag to use for Sami (which is helpful because it's not confined to one country).
[18:36] <grogbot> <Carnivol> I'm sort of surprised by the lack of a fantranslation scene for Sami, actually.
[18:37] <grogbot> <trembyle> Same with Flemish and Catalan - subnational flags that are well known and associated with those languages
[18:37] <grogbot> <Carnivol> At least I haven't heard of or seen one.
[18:38] <grogbot> <trembyle> I also haven't decided on what to do with Arabic flags
[18:38] <Scummette> [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to master: https://git.io/JPp8J

[18:38] <grogbot> <somaen> Theres multiple distinct Sami languages
[18:39] <grogbot> <trembyle> I see. Are they mutually intelligible at all?
[18:40] <grogbot> <somaen> AFAIK the neighbouring ones are to some degree
[18:40] <grogbot> <somaen> Northern Sami is the biggest by far in Norway, but Im told its completely different from southern
[18:40] <grogbot> <trembyle> It looks like Sami (Northern) is by far the most common.
[18:40] <grogbot> <trembyle> yeah
[18:40] <grogbot> <somaen> And there are two other in between
[18:41] <grogbot> <trembyle> well, we can cross that bridge when we come to it
[18:41] <grogbot> <trembyle> afaik, if we're only talking about a GUI translation, then we won't need a flag for the new launcher
[18:52] <grogbot> <Carnivol> What I'm doing so far is; correct all strings flagged with issues, update any outdated strings, and then add missing translations.
[18:52] <grogbot> <Carnivol> Trying to stick as close as possible to any existing terminology used in previous translations (regardless of quality), but if it's straight up wrong or somehow problematic; I'll update it during this first pass.
[18:53] <grogbot> <Carnivol> Once everything is done, I'll see if I can iron out the quirks in a second pass.
[18:56] <grogbot> <Carnivol> If some games I really like have good tools for export/import of assets (o there is support language packs?), I might jump onto attempting to find time to do some titles too.
[18:58] <grogbot> <madmoose> "Halvfjerds" in Danish is short for "halvfjerdesindstyve" meaning "half-fourth times twenty" where "half-fourth" means 3.5. Perfectly logical 😛
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[19:16] <grogbot> <somaen> I thought that half was weird, until I realized that its similar to how time is counted, so makes some sense.
[19:17] <grogbot> <somaen> A lot of that was done by me, Im not particularly satisfied with all the terminology. In particular I struggle to find good ways to talk about savegames.
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[20:06] <grogbot> <TheUp> That Linux desktop is sick ! Once Windows 10 support ends, I'm moving back to Debian.
[20:08] <grogbot> <Henke37> that's 14 october 2025 for those keeping tabs
[20:11] <grogbot> <Losetech> unless you count extended support
[20:12] <grogbot> <Losetech> which should be about 3+ years
[20:14] <grogbot> <Khvostik> And windows 11 feels more like a regular "update" than new windows really
[20:19] <grogbot> <Henke37> they've pretty much settled on the ui design now. last big change was 8.0, which they reverted.
[20:23] <grogbot> <Khvostik> Yea, on ui in win95 and on kernal in xp 😄
[20:44] <grogbot> <Henke37> yup, it's been incremental upgrades since then
[21:12] <eriktorbjorn> Every time there's a major Windows update, I worry that the ancient development environment I still have to use at work will finally break down. (I already have to use a virtual machine to read the manual for it.)
[21:13] <grogbot> <Henke37> .hlp file i presume? yeah, those were finally killed with 10.
[21:15] <eriktorbjorn> Henke37: Yup.
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[23:01] <Scummette> [scummvm] neuromancer pushed 1 new commits to master: https://git.io/JPpAv
[23:01] <Scummette> scummvm/master a590352 neuromancer: HYPNO: improved parsing in arcade and scenes, and added some hard-coded scenes for several games
[23:01] <Scummette> [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to master: https://git.io/JPpAT
[23:01] <Scummette> scummvm/master 8cf058a : I18N: Update translation files
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