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[00:45] <Scummette> [scummvm] lolbot-iichan opened pull request #1734: COMMON: Last character of some TTF texts was cropped (master...wme_ritter_text) https://git.io/fjKbo
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[07:07] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> Any tips for this issue in Blade Runner?
[07:07] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/595873338216415244/65847332_2424539224291808_2023034818819784704_o.jpg
[07:08] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> After the first game location, when I come to police station and enter the elevator game freeze here.... sound is there but I never het that console with the buttons to choose the floor....
[07:10] <Grogbot> Command sent by Gajbotron
[07:10] <Grogbot> ..also, when i click on my character I get the console (?) and I cannot resume the game, if I type EXIT in the console, game crashes....
[07:10] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/595874012135948289/Screenshot_14.jpg
[07:11] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> here is the elevator sequence:
[07:11] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> https://youtu.be/_wFGpg3g2KA?t=37m19s
[07:25] <Grogbot> <Praetorian> Hi @Gajbotron ! Could you make sure that you have all the required data files for the game in the game folder?
[07:26] <Grogbot> <Praetorian> https://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/Blade_Runner#Working_data_files
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[07:43] <Grogbot> <Praetorian> @Gajbotron in particular check that you are not missing the MODE.MIX file, since this is the file responsible for the KIA, Elevator menu and car GPS that you're not getting in your video
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[08:58] <Grogbot> <Praetorian> Interesting how if you're missing MODE.MIX the spinner car just automatically takes you to the Police Station 😃
[09:11] <Grogbot> <Praetorian> @md5 shouldn't the announcement go live on facebook and twitter too? Maybe also on the reddit?
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[09:49] <LePhilousophe> @SupSuper, I finally managed to build full ScummVM on Windows in my VM. Problem came from VBox shared folders
[09:49] <LePhilousophe> all builds take over 14GB :/
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[10:23] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> @Praetorian Seems like I`m missing MODE.MIX file... Can anyone help me with that one? 😦
[10:23] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/595922674857803776/files1.jpg
[10:28] <LePhilousophe> Gajbotron: which version of game do you have?
[10:28] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> I think it is english tbh not sure.... it was LONG ago... 4 CDs version...
[10:28] <LePhilousophe> I won't be able to help but that's kind of information we need to help you
[10:29] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> also, how can I turn ON subtitles within the game menu
[10:30] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> and... is there a way to PAUSE the game?
[10:30] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> ctrl+F5 ?
[10:31] <Grogbot> <Praetorian> @Gajbotron Mode.mix should be on the first CD in the folder named "base". Just copy it in your game folder
[10:32] <Grogbot> <Praetorian> Turning Subtitles from the options and pausing the game is possible in-game with Esc or clicking on McCoy, which should open up the KIA. It won't work for you, if you don't have the MODE.MIX file though
[10:32] <Grogbot> <Praetorian> Ctrl+F5 will bring up the scummvm menu, which would pause the game, but you can't access the subtitles option from that one.
[10:33] <Grogbot> <Praetorian> Better to copy the MODE.MIX file, because it is needed to play the game properly 😃
[10:34] <Grogbot> <Praetorian> Also make sure you always have the latest daily development build, since we're fixing bugs (reported or otherwise) on almost a daily basis
[10:35] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> ScummVM new versions or..?
[10:35] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> btw, I made it
[10:35] <Grogbot> <Praetorian> ScummVM
[10:35] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/595925653044461581/screen2.jpg
[10:35] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> at last 😃 tnx
[10:36] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> btw... any way to SAVE the progress?
[10:36] <Grogbot> <Praetorian> again via KIA. Press Esc and access the save game menu.
[10:36] <Grogbot> <Praetorian> or directly press F2
[10:37] <Grogbot> <Praetorian> F2 for saving, F3 for loading a save game
[10:39] <Grogbot> <Praetorian> @Gajbotron Please, let us know of any bugs you encounter. Either on Discord or with a ticket on the ScummVM bug tracker.
[10:39] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> I will, tnx again! Tonight I will try to stream it again.. 😃
[12:00] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> @Gajbotron you can save/load via scummvm interface as well - ctrl + f5
[12:02] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> @Praetorian i guess we should add some more visible errors when any mix file is not properly opened (except of subtitles)
[12:02] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> tnx, I found it! 😃
[12:04] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> scummvm devs, or is it better to add every file to the detection table?
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[13:17] <Grogbot> <darknessLuzubal> hi
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[13:41] <SupSuper> LePhilousophe: are you building with every engine enabled? i only have stables and that takes 3gb
[13:41] <SupSuper> if you're building with every dependency source and static link that will also add up
[13:45] <Grogbot> <Henke37> why isn't that file part of the game detection? it seems rather important
[13:46] <Grogbot> <rootfather> I think thats why @peterkohaut asked. I think it should be added to the detection table.
[13:49] <Grogbot> <Henke37> how strange, my working copy isn't even 3gb and i do build with all engines
[13:50] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> isn't game detection just to distinguish game versions? integrity checks should probably be different and more exhaustive
[13:50] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> every file is important, but i thought detection is only for detection
[13:51] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> yes, i thought the same as @SupSuper
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[13:59] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> it might be worth having the engine itself check for important files on start and throw a more appropriate error if they're missing
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[14:00] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> since there's a NoGameDataFound error you can return
[14:00] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> @Henke37 i'm counting the whole git folder. obj files are just 1gb
[14:00] <Grogbot> <Henke37> so am i. I think.
[14:20] <Grogbot> <criezy> Indeed, detection doesn't need to check all the files. Also if we were to do that this could become prohibitive on low-end devices when detecting games.
[14:21] <Grogbot> <criezy> But the engine itself can do more checks.
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[16:02] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> starting to work on my engine script interpreter, so decided to see what commands are more and less important: https://pastebin.com/pxSFAqVK
[16:02] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> funny how half the language is barely used, if at all. that'll save me some time
[16:06] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> also, trying to load every room in the game is a good stress test, and a good way of running out of memory 😛
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[16:26] <LePhilousophe> SupSuper: yep I built with every engine and everything static
[16:27] <LePhilousophe> except WinSparkle and SDL
[16:27] <LePhilousophe> that was to try that it works well
[16:27] <LePhilousophe> I don't plan to do this on a regular basis
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[16:38] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> So c preprocessor macros are basically a way to completely bypass the type system as well as compiler error checking. Why are they often used heavily and why do they exist at all if using them only brings about major pain, I wonder.
[16:39] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> historical reasons, mostly
[16:43] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> A nice set of reasons why macros are evil (shudder): https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14041453/why-are-preprocessor-macros-evil-and-what-are-the-alternatives
[16:44] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> I like this one: #define SQUARE(x) ((x) * (x)) int x = 2; x2 = SQUARE(x++) evaluates to x++ * x++ lol.
[16:44] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> Which is undefined.
[16:45] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> Also just impossible in code to tell what is a macro and what isn't in general... etc...
[16:55] <LePhilousophe> they also make some things handy
[17:14] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> hi everyone~
[17:16] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> it seems Blade Runner is finally getting subtitles support!
[17:17] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> I wanna be part of it. who should I report to for Simplified Chinese subtitle translation?
[17:22] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> @Praetorian
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[17:23] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> @peterkohaut @Praetorian
[17:26] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> also, I have the Simplified Chinese version discs, somehow WITH Chinese subtitles built in. Does anyone wanna take a look at these discs' content?
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[17:27] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> the Chinese company that imported this game managed to put subtitles in the game using some sort of ... different measures.
[17:36] <Grogbot> <Praetorian> @CaesarZX I have to head out right now, but I'm very interested in this Chinese version. I wasn't even aware there was an official Chinese version!
[17:36] <Grogbot> <Praetorian> I'll be back in a few hours. You could also reach @peterkohaut if he is available in the meantime
[17:40] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> sure!
[17:47] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> @CaesarZX hello! i was not aware of a chinese version, i dont think tht was not a official one
[17:49] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> do you have more informations? like where we can buy a copy?
[17:52] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> and is the game dubbed as well?
[17:53] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> I am scanning now.
[17:54] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> they are extremely rare, but you dont have to buy one. I will send you the .iso file I made.
[17:55] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> no, not dubbed. Just subtitles.
[17:56] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> please, can you first create md5 of all files in your copy and send that to me?
[17:57] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> NP.
[17:59] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> but dont send me iso, that is against our rules as we does not condone piracy
[18:02] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> sure. but then it's almost impossible for you to acquire and study the version that I have.
[18:03] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> i assume that few or all the files will be the same as in different versions
[18:04] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> oh that's for sure.
[18:04] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> and as for creating subtitles, we dont need that:)
[18:04] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> wonderful!
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[18:07] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> and if the game is not dubbed, process should be much easier we have https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17ew0YyhSwqcqZg6bXrIgz0GkA62dhgViHN15lOu5Hj8/edit?usp=sharing and safest would be to create a copy and start translating all tabs which ends with _E (that is the english version) but we are not yet prepared for Chinese
[18:08] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> we are not prepared as we need to create font to support that and currently engine supports max 255 characters per font, but i'll look into that when you start
[18:10] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> i'm curious, have you tried to run your copy of the game with our engine?
[18:10] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/596040175008874511/image0.jpg
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[18:12] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> @peterkohaut I just tried, but it says some file is missing.
[18:13] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> I did follow the instruction.
[18:13] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> and then I tried my DVD version. still the same.
[18:13] <Grogbot> <Henke37> does it actually say "some file"?
[18:14] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/596041212759244800/unknown.png
[18:15] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/596041257361342485/unknown.png
[18:15] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> I copied all the files Scummvm needed.
[18:15] <Grogbot> <Henke37> and the console doesn't say anything?
[18:15] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> https://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php?title=Datafiles#Blade_Runner
[18:16] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> OOOPs
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[18:17] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> i missed the A.TLK file.
[18:17] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> stupid!
[18:17] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> sorry.
[18:17] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> there.
[18:17] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/596041919063130154/unknown.png
[18:18] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> now I'm gonna try my Chinese version.
[18:18] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> oh man, this English subtitles looks amazing.
[18:18] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> crying.
[18:20] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> ah! finally somebody else with dvd version, can i ask you for an favor? please can you send me md5 of vqa2.mix on you dvd? my file differ in one bit from cd version and i dont know if it is intentional
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[18:24] <Grogbot> <Henke37> pretty sure that dvds have checksums to catch bit flips
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[18:27] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> its weird, ripped it twice with same "error"/feature
[18:29] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> @peterkohaut 14DAD52C54F240163EB573AB1E143A4C
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[18:29] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> MD5 for VQA2.MIX
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[18:30] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> does it help a bit?
[18:30] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> thanks! so it seems its a dvd release feature, mine looks the same
[18:31] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> I bought this DVD on ebay.
[18:31] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> yeeeeears ago.
[18:31] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> me as well:) and its in pretty bad shape, so i was not sure
[18:31] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> haha. mine is like mint.
[18:32] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> does you copy have a black and white cover in the jewel case?
[18:32] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> "quickstart guide" it reads.
[18:32] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> hmm, let me check
[18:33] <Grogbot> <Henke37> again, dvds have checksums. a scratch will not change the contents.
[18:33] <Grogbot> <Henke37> you will get a read error, not changed data
[18:33] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> i have only dvd disc, no case
[18:34] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> nevermind, looks like dvd version differ in one bit in data files from cd version
[18:34] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/596046181029773312/image0.jpg
[18:34] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/596046250357293057/image1.jpg
[18:34] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/596046250886037524/image0.jpg
[18:36] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> @CaesarZX were you able to get md5 of chinese version? these are all md5 of versions i have - https://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php?title=Blade_Runner#Working_data_files
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[18:41] <Grogbot> <waltervn> Blade Runner in Chinese... that must be pretty rare. Where did you find this @CaesarZX? Are you Chinese yourself?
[18:44] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> yes, I'm Chinese. living in Shanghai.
[18:44] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> I bought this game 21 years ago.
[18:45] <Grogbot> <waltervn> I see 😃
[18:46] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> bought the US and the DVD version about 10-12 years ago.
[18:46] <Grogbot> <waltervn> Was the movie popular in China and that's why they released the game?
[18:49] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> actually the 1982 movie has never been imported to China until late 2017, a film Sci-Fi festival. and 2049 was released right after the festival here.
[18:50] <Grogbot> <Henke37> tell that to the guy running a stall on the schenzhen streets.
[18:50] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> but of course I have watch the 1982 film like 600 hundred times before 2017. LOL.
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[18:52] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> yep, piracy of course was the only way for most of Chinese to appreciate that movie back in 80s and 90s .
[18:53] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> the movie I think became more popular in China right after the 1992 director's cut version came out. on LD and a Taiwan storage media called VCD.
[18:55] <Grogbot> <Henke37> not often i hear about people using the white book
[18:56] <Grogbot> <Henke37> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_CD
[18:56] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> that's the one.
[18:57] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> this was a really popular media in Asia in 90's. before DVD came out.
[18:58] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> probably because LDs were too expensive for us.
[18:58] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> and too big I guess?
[19:01] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/596052943778873344/unknown.png
[19:02] <Grogbot> <Henke37> thanks for the arrow. we would've never noticed such a high contrast glyph otherwise
[19:02] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> that small yellow Chinese character means Chinese.
[19:02] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> I know that looks awful.
[19:04] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> in comparison how windows looked 20 years ago its "nice" enough 😃
[19:04] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> @Henke37 do you get paid on sarcasm per word 😛
[19:04] <Grogbot> <Henke37> i wish
[19:04] <Grogbot> <CaesarZX> I just LOVE sarcasm.
[19:05] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> damn, it's spreading
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[19:36] <Scummette> [scummvm] lotharsm pushed 1 new commits to master: https://git.io/fj6Yy
[19:36] <Scummette> scummvm/master 6531eb6 lotharsm: NEWS: Update German NEWS.md translation
[19:38] <Scummette> [scummvm] lotharsm pushed 1 new commits to master: https://git.io/fj6YH
[19:38] <Scummette> scummvm/master b3f0ffc lotharsm: NEWS: Fix typo in German NEWS.md translation
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[21:45] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> @peterkohaut Any idea why I can`t save the game? not in game menu or scummvm menu...
[21:47] <Grogbot> <DreamMaster> My first guess would be that your save folder is accidentally set to something you don't have permission for. Try using the Options button in the ScummVM launcher, and checking the save path under the Paths tab
[21:48] <Grogbot> <DreamMaster> Also maybe the Edit game button as well to ensure you haven't accidentally somehow overriden the save path for just the game you're playing
[21:49] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/596095274347134977/Screenshot_5.jpg
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[21:53] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> dang...... cant try anything now..... Im on the half of my game progress... If I try to open another instance of ScummVM this session will probably crash/close...
[21:54] <Grogbot> <DreamMaster> Hmmm.. I can't remember off the top of my head, and I don't have ScummVM locally, but does the Global Main Menu have an options button? You might be able to change the save path from there without quitting the game.
[21:55] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/596096712016134257/Screenshot_6.jpg
[21:55] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> Options menu...
[21:55] <Grogbot> <DreamMaster> Ah, right. It only has the sound controls, sorry
[21:56] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/596096919206494463/Screenshot_7.jpg
[21:56] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> this is also unresponsive when I hit the Save button....
[21:57] <Grogbot> <DreamMaster> Can't comment on the game specifically, sorry, I'm not familiar with it and don't own a copy
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[22:00] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> ok tnx anyway, I wont turn off the PC until tommorow afternoon when Im planning to finish the game... xD
[22:00] <Grogbot> <DreamMaster> Sounds like a plan 😃
[22:00] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> everything will stay on my YT channel anyway
[22:00] <Grogbot> <Gajbotron> gg
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[22:09] <Scummette> [scummvm] peterkohaut pushed 1 new commits to master: https://git.io/fj6sW
[22:09] <Scummette> scummvm/master 577a84a peterkohaut: BLADERUNNER: Explicit message about missing game files
[22:11] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> @Gajbotron that looks like a issue outside of bladerunner engine
[22:11] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> actually you can save via debug console
[22:11] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> ctrl+d
[22:12] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> "save /path/on/your/disk" or "save c:\path\on\your\disk"
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[22:12] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> and then load with ..... dramatic pause .... "load same/path"
[22:13] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> that it used for creating saves usable with original game
[22:13] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> but at least you cant try to turn off you scummvm instance
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[22:15] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> but, for your sake, use absolute path, otherwise who knows...
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[22:19] <Lightkey> [md5]: Update the.. date before posting the news next time, it's three days off. :-P
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[22:24] <Grogbot> <peterkohaut> mac build in travis is soooo slow, but i guess that expected with that insane amount of beer in the log
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[22:50] <Grogbot> <criezy> It might be cider. After all it would make sense to use apples.
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