ScummVM IRC Log - 02 Oct 2019

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[05:17] <Scummette> [scummvm] digitall pushed 1 new commits to master: https://git.io/JenN1
[05:17] <Scummette> scummvm/master 78ef4b9 digitall: COMMON: Add Default Cases to Switch Statements in Memstream Classes
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[06:25] <LePhilousophe> @sev: OK thank you. I asked for clarification so we will see but it looks like an illegal form
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[06:45] <Scummette> [scummvm] lephilousophe opened pull request #1872: WII: Fix compilation and runtime with latest version of devkitPPC (master...fix-wii) https://git.io/JenAP
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[11:38] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/Jecea
[11:38] <Scummette> scummvm/master a49fd0d sev-: GRAPHICS: MACGUI: Read nested submenus from PE exes
[11:38] <Scummette> scummvm/master 6dee083 sev-: GRAPHICS: MACGUI: Added debug printout for MacMenu
[11:38] <Scummette> scummvm/master 5b0e465 sev-: GRAPHICS: MACGUI: Fix debug menu printing
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[12:52] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> Good morning!
[12:53] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> Well, so far so good with my Dockerfile. I've managed to build the image and compile the apk for a few configurations (pending compiling for all architectures will stable engines and all-engines)
[12:55] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> Is there a point in putting effort to cross-compiling pkg-config? It won't do that out of the box, and it does not seem that it's needed -- the scummvm's configure may pick the pkg-config from the native system if installed, and I am unsure if that's ok or not -- it does not seem to affect anything, but I could be wrong.
[12:55] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> Also, same for openssl. I think it will be hard to get it to compile with NDK r14b. I've made a few attempts and could not succeed at it
[12:56] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> as far as I can tell these are issues with our official buildbot config too
[12:57] <LePhilousophe> the only advantage I see at using a specific pkg-config is for default paths it uses to look at packages
[12:57] <LePhilousophe> I usually override these paths and use the native pkg-config and it works
[12:58] <LePhilousophe> for Android shouldn't we provide an alternative to curl using the native http client?
[12:58] <LePhilousophe> because using a cross compiled openssl will prevent using the android cert store
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[13:23] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> Freetype detection seems to depend on tge existence of pkg-config. I am using native, no overriding of folders, and that was enough to get it set
[13:26] <LePhilousophe> strange
[13:26] <LePhilousophe> or maybe android build system already defines the PKGCONFIG_ environment variables
[13:32] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> Ah maybe that is it. I actually run a script to set those and i probably included it and forgot
[13:33] <LePhilousophe> that's the most likely
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[13:51] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 1 new commits to master: https://git.io/JecJ3
[13:51] <Scummette> scummvm/master 87dc368 sev-: GRAPHICS: MACGUI: Fix and simplify nested submenu reading
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[14:50] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 1 new commits to master: https://git.io/JecUu
[14:50] <Scummette> scummvm/master 9afaefb sev-: GRAPHHICS: MACGUI: Fix crash on submenu rendering
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[16:40] <Grogbot> <Henke37> how common is it that devices have hardware acceleration for the audio mixing and/or decoding?
[16:41] <Grogbot> <Henke37> not how common it is for scummvm to use it, how common is it to exist at all
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[17:39] <Scummette> [scummvm] bgK opened pull request #1873: GUI: Fix launcher layout for small widths (master...gui-layout-small-widths) https://git.io/JecIK
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[18:39] <Scummette> [scummvm] sluicebox pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/JecLN
[18:39] <Scummette> scummvm/master 2ab281f sluicebox: SCI32: Add HOYLE5 support for original Save/Load screens
[18:39] <Scummette> scummvm/master 7c1fb8b sluicebox: SCI: Return correct value from kFileIOWriteString
[18:40] <Grogbot> <Henke37> maybe create a channel just for the github postings?
[18:40] <angel_killah> +1
[18:41] <Grogbot> <sluicebox> i only have one thing to say to that
[18:41] <Scummette> [scummvm] sluicebox pushed 2 new commits to branch-2-1: https://git.io/JecLp
[18:41] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-1 3a88f61 sluicebox: SCI32: Add HOYLE5 support for original Save/Load screens
[18:41] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-1 edc37e1 sluicebox: SCI: Return correct value from kFileIOWriteString
[19:01] <Grogbot> <SirYodaJedi> Which is&?
[19:05] <Grogbot> <SirYodaJedi> +1 to the separate channel for @GitHub#0000. Having it mixed in here hinders any attempt at proper discourse.
[19:21] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> I don't mind it, but it would be better probably.
[19:21] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> I would like to see similar notifications for bugs added to the tracker though.
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[19:27] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> there's probably a trac plugin
[19:28] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> https://github.com/travisghansen/trac-webhook-plugin
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[20:16] <Grogbot> <astlouis44> hey ScummVM team! I have a question for you regarding some of the demos
[20:24] <Strangerke> astlouis44: Hi :) ... Just ask :)
[20:25] <Grogbot> <astlouis44> Hey just curious what the legality of the game demos are?
[20:25] <Grogbot> <astlouis44> Are they free to download, or even share?
[20:25] <Grogbot> <astlouis44> Was thinking that if they are shareware (which most of them are) then should be in the clear
[20:26] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> I am sure they are both free to download and share.
[20:26] <Strangerke> that's why we host them... they have always been distributes freely
[20:26] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> That's the idea of them being demos
[20:27] <Strangerke> *distributed
[20:27] <Grogbot> <astlouis44> OK, but say one of them was hosted on another website to be playable in browser... would that be legal also?
[20:28] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> probably. I they didn't charge for money
[20:28] <Grogbot> <astlouis44> OK great 🙂
[20:29] <Grogbot> <sluicebox> yes, it's the same game demo files in a zip, just being served up by someone else in a javascript emulator
[20:29] <Strangerke> which site do you have in mind?
[20:29] <Grogbot> <astlouis44> OK great
[20:29] <Grogbot> <astlouis44> https://alexstlouis44.github.io/scummvm.html
[20:29] <Grogbot> <astlouis44> Presenting.. monkey island in a browser!
[20:29] <Grogbot> <sluicebox> oh YOU are the one serving, haha!
[20:30] <Strangerke> nice :)
[20:30] <Grogbot> <sluicebox> i thought we were talking about archive.org/dosbox 😃
[20:30] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> if it's just demos it should be fine, archive.org does the same
[20:30] <Grogbot> <sluicebox> that's so cool
[20:30] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> archive goes beyond demos
[20:31] <Grogbot> <sluicebox> but they HAVE demos! 😃
[20:31] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> lol
[20:31] <Grogbot> <Henke37> the internet archive has an exemption in the law
[20:31] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> really?
[20:32] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> well that and they run on a "if they care, they'll take it down" policy 😛
[20:32] <Grogbot> <astlouis44> Yeah I can see some copyrights holders not liking it regardless
[20:32] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> they collect a lot of crap that they have to filter out later, but they'd rather collect it first just in case
[20:32] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> other sites probably can't afford that
[20:33] <Grogbot> <astlouis44> Disney owns the Monkey Island property now, and even though this could reach anybody through the simplicity of a URL, they'd kill it if possible
[20:35] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> archive is basically operating like an abandonware site as far as I can tell, with the additional option to play games on a browser.
[20:36] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> I am not complaining, it had been useful on occasion
[20:40] <Grogbot> <astlouis44> They are only MS-DOS games on internet archive though it seems
[20:43] <Grogbot> <Henke37> https://archive.org/details/apple_ii_library_4am?tab=collection
[20:50] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> like I said, there's lots more
[20:52] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> One interesting thing is that they have archives on Games magazines too, and sometimes of the CD's that came along with them
[20:52] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> There's probably lots of games' demos in there, if someone has the courage and time to waste
[20:52] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> i love digging through their old shareware CDs
[20:53] <Grogbot> <Henke37> i have my own collection of old shareware cds. technically from swedish magazines, but most stuff is in english anyway
[20:53] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> some of the old sneaky ones named "demos" even non-playable previews... is the one thing that bothers me
[20:54] <Grogbot> <Henke37> it's all ready to transfer if you know someone who wants it
[20:54] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> I've got my own pile too
[20:54] <Grogbot> <Henke37> heck, solve the postage and i will send you the magazines too.
[20:57] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> probably a lot of historians will take that, ping james or frank
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[21:02] <Grogbot> <Henke37> i don't know who that is.
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[21:08] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> https://twitter.com/textfiles https://twitter.com/frankcifaldi
[21:10] <Grogbot> <Henke37> i actually emailed that Jason about it. just didn't pan out.
[21:11] <Grogbot> <Henke37> not that he didn't want it. we just never solved the logistics.
[21:11] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> yeah that's always the hardest
[21:12] <Grogbot> <Henke37> bit of a puddle between us too
[21:16] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> That SoMI demo is interesting, I don't think I've played the demo before
[21:17] <Grogbot> <Henke37> which one are you referring to exactly?
[21:19] <Grogbot> <antoniou79> The one that is linked a few messages above, playable via ScummVM with a browser
[21:19] <Grogbot> <Henke37> ah.
[21:19] <Grogbot> <Henke37> i think i actually ran that one only yesterday
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[21:55] <Scummette> [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to master: https://git.io/JecY5
[21:55] <Scummette> scummvm/master 62f186b sev-: PRINCE: I18N: Update translation (English)
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[22:04] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 6 new commits to master: https://git.io/JecYh
[22:04] <Scummette> scummvm/master 1ced332 sev-: GRAPHICS: MACGUI: Render nested submenus
[22:04] <Scummette> scummvm/master b157a27 sev-: GRAPHICS: MACGUI: Unify submenu dimension calculations
[22:04] <Scummette> scummvm/master d3df14f sev-: GRAPHICS: MACGUI: Finish implementation for nested submenus drawing
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[22:16] <Grogbot> <sev> Yay, Pink engine is the next in the queue for getting announced
[22:16] <Grogbot> <sev> but after the release
[22:17] <Grogbot> <sluicebox> Yay!
[22:17] <Grogbot> <sev> @everyone Release tagging is on Friday, prepare your build machines!
[22:19] <Grogbot> <Henke37> i don't think pink is ready yet. the menus are still full with ampersands.
[22:20] <Grogbot> <Henke37> also, the menus close the instant you release the mouse button you used to open them. that's not how windows menus work.
[22:21] <Grogbot> <Henke37> and most, if not all, menu items are nops or just open the scummvm master menu
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[22:22] <Grogbot> <Henke37> and obviously, the entire theme is wrong. i am getting mac style menus on windows.
[22:25] <Grogbot> <criezy> Which reminds me I should probably get that ADGF_TESTING flag out of the way for supernova before tagging.
[22:27] <Grogbot> <tsoliman> @Henke37 what gave it away? The ADGF_UNSTABLE in the detection entries or the warning when you start it? 😜
[22:28] <Grogbot> <Henke37> it's not me that's saying that it's ready.
[22:29] <Grogbot> <tsoliman> oh I didn't catch up on the log 😦
[22:29] <Grogbot> <tsoliman> I think he meant "ready for testing" rather than "now stable"
[22:33] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> I wish the buildbot could build release builds. :/
[22:33] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> I mean the buildbot builds are the ones that were tested the most, so it makes sense to me to use that same toolchain to build release builds.'
[22:34] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> Otherwise what is the purpose of nightly builds, if release builds might be done with completely different compiler versions, libraries etc.
[22:34] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> So could exhibit all kinds of problems not apparent in the dailues
[22:36] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> I suppose there's a way to use the buildbot server for that purpose? Manually? Is it encouraged or discouraged?
[22:39] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> release builds would be too slow to build regularly. though they might also be closer to the final product for testing (optimizations etc.)
[22:39] <Grogbot> <SupSuper> can you download the buildbot toolchain and make your own builds?
[22:41] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> No.
[22:42] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> But I have a docker-based instance of the same toolchain here, for Vita.
[22:42] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> So that will work.
[22:42] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> For Switch, I can use the latest local toolchain, shouldn't be a problem
[22:43] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> For PSP, I actually used the buildbot server last time. But I think I can make a docker instance locally to use the exact same toolchain.
[22:43] <Scummette> [scummvm] criezy pushed 1 new commits to master: https://git.io/JecOy
[22:43] <Scummette> scummvm/master d214dd8 criezy: SUPERNOVA: Remove ADGF_TESTING flag
[22:43] <Scummette> [scummvm] criezy pushed 1 new commits to branch-2-1: https://git.io/JecOS
[22:43] <Scummette> scummvm/branch-2-1 1c0be11 criezy: SUPERNOVA: Remove ADGF_TESTING flag
[22:46] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> Ah nevermind I forgot I updated the psp toolchain myself on the buildbot. So yes, I have the same version locally. So should all be good I guess.
[22:47] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> Still it seems an error prone thing, to build releases on different machines, different toolchais, than dailies.
[22:47] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> Especially since builds depend on ENV vars potentially.
[22:48] <Grogbot> <rsn8887> Which I hate in general btw. this dependence on external stuff. Meh.
[22:59] <Scummette> [scummvm] digitall pushed 1 new commits to master: https://git.io/Jec3v
[22:59] <Scummette> scummvm/master 9e761e1 digitall: GRAPHICS: MACGUI: Fix GCC Signed vs. Unsigned Warnings
[23:01] <Grogbot> <Henke37> it's warnings 'o clock? time to make a build then
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[23:09] <Grogbot> <Henke37> https://pastebin.com/g6geZ1TY
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