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[05:46] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> Okay, so not sure how to describe this
[05:46] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> There's an Ai driven Vtuber, name Neuro-sama
[05:46] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> It has a Game Intergration SDK, that allows it to play games
[05:46] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> I was thinking of modifying ScummVM to allow it to play Point and Click games
[05:46] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> problem is....not sure where to start
[05:55] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> Main goal to get it working is
[05:55] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> A) Get General scene context
[05:55] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> B) Get to know what action can and can't do
[05:56] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> Why do I want to see an AI Anime girl live stream 90s point and click games?
[05:56] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> because it be cool
[06:21] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> in my opinion, you go at risk of getting flamed outside of discord. and i think that would be good, so you dont try to go step 2 and step 3
[06:22] <grogbot_> [discord] <eientei> What?
[06:22] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> what, "what", can you specify?
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[06:24] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> so it was a quick gesture instead of throwing an emoji but not a real question?
[06:26] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> i am not against AI projects. i am just very afraid when we replace many things we humans spend time with, with machines
[06:27] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> Dude, it just an AI playing a game
[06:27] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> We seen it plenty over the years, and Neuro-sama particularly start with playing OSU
[06:28] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> It's fine
[06:28] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> you dont seem to see the greater picture of your future code
[06:28] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> on discord i have to do difficult captchas so they can keep out the robots, right?
[06:29] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> spammer code is pretty simple. an AI can do very complex things ALREADY.
[06:30] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> watch the 10 year old youtube video about human computation by Luis van Ahn
[06:31] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> i dont want to go that path just cause scifi books are cool
[06:32] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> Dude, I just want to see AI playing games
[06:32] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> Like every other cool project since 2018
[06:32] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> watch chess gaming on twitch then
[06:35] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> okay, pulse is normal again. thanks for flying low with me.
[06:37] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> I want to see AI playing more complex games
[06:37] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> Like Super Mario and OSU
[06:37] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> And this time, Adventure Games
[06:46] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> you want much and understand not much of the reasons why i reacted emotional. thats sad, but i will survive
[06:47] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> @ralseidewitt have you compiled scummvm already, looked at its engines, seen how the programmers make this work?
[06:48] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> have you hand written small programs already?
[06:48] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> have you asked your prefered AI already how you could use its API?
[06:50] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> or do you request a movie from the community?
[07:05] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> Dude, I'm not sure if you don't get why I'm saying this
[07:05] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> But I think you're over-reacting
[07:05] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> Reason why we even play games is for the experience
[07:05] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> Reason why we watch let's play is for the backseat reaction
[07:05] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> Reason why I like to see AI play games is because It's facinating and interesting. Not the 2 above.
[07:05] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> It's not that deep, It's not that life-changing
[07:05] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> or else, we be seeing it more since 2020
[07:06] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> Reason why the trend of "AI play this complex game" died down is because It's cool for awhile because it's new, but now it culminate into a niche
[07:07] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> and that's where it stays. Games are meant to be play, because we want experience.
[07:07] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> Hence why I see your emotional reaction as....well, an over-reaction
[07:08] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> finally, we both sound like adults
[07:08] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> No offense, and I mean it, You sound delusional
[07:09] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> It's why I don't want to respond with anything in-depth
[07:09] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> because I think it's not worth it
[07:09] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> no offense taking because you switched in your other mode when i used the word "adult"
[07:09] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> no offense taken because you switched in your other mode when i used the word "adult" (edited)
[07:10] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> we better end this before a moderator ends it
[07:11] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> No, I switch because you talked to me like a child
[07:11] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> And I taken offense to it
[07:12] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> thats 90% reverse logic after i offered to end this 🙂
[07:12] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> lets play tic tac toe
[07:17] <grogbot_> [discord] <supsuper> a game api could still be useful for accessibility reasons, there have been many requests to integrate hotspot apis, hint apis, etc. the challenge is that every game is its own thing, there is no easy way to expose that info for a single game, much less globally
[07:18] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> @supsuper but mind, "we" deal with free software. that means bad people benefit from "our" work. that means "we" are all in their guilt boat
[07:19] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> just as a small example: the result of a strong AI is that i can no longer solve those captchas
[07:20] <grogbot_> [discord] <supsuper> i'm not sure what your point is, bad actors have existed long before ai, does that mean we should just kill open software?
[07:20] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> my point is that only a few people benefit from strong AI in a few years and we are not one of them
[07:23] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> i try to draw the picture where somebody creates a weapon for the guy who uses it against him, because they only wanted 1 weapon
[07:23] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> do you know what i mean?
[07:24] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> most people are happy that they can operate their mobile phone. have you thought about them aswell, with your AI powered super apps?
[07:27] <grogbot_> [discord] <eientei> I fail to see how exposing an interface for, for example, clicking on game objects, means the end of the world
[07:29] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> cause you might be blind on 1 eye
[07:29] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> below the interface is code too
[07:29] <grogbot_> [discord] <eientei> Yes, and...?
[07:29] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> no and
[07:29] <grogbot_> [discord] <eientei> Are you saying we should never work on ScummVM because AI?
[07:29] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> go for it then, code for AI
[07:29] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> i tried to explain my opinion, not much else i can do
[07:32] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> you cant have a log file here for privacy and security reasons or why?
[07:32] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> something simple as that
[07:32] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> and you will enable AI everywhere possible
[07:35] <grogbot_> [discord] <eientei> Are you trying to say that exposing an endpoint for accessibility and, potentially, use by AI in a closed system for operating a game, means that as a result we're replacing the people playing the games with AI?
[07:36] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> @eientei i am not saying what you try to imply
[07:37] <grogbot_> [discord] <eientei> Then summarize your whole argument down to a few points as I'm having a very hard time trying to wrap my head around what you're saying
[07:37] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> maybe you are easily forgetting chat statements when there is more than 1 block of text
[07:37] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> and please dont be a summarizer or my opinion if you fail to show respect for me
[07:38] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> and please dont be a summarizer of my opinion if you fail to show respect for me (edited)
[07:38] <grogbot_> [discord] <eientei> Alright, I'll write you off as a troll.
[07:38] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> wow.
[07:38] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> let me screenshot this then
[07:39] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> @eientei may i publish?
[07:39] <grogbot_> [discord] <eientei> No, you may not. After all, an AI may see it and become a super weapon
[07:39] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> i will ask an AI then to publish
[07:40] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> 😄
[07:40] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> 1 score vs. 1 score?
[07:52] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> to all others: i am sorry that i allowed my emotions to carry me too far.
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[08:31] <grogbot_> [discord] <lephilousophe> This has gone off-track quickly...
[08:31] <grogbot_> [discord] <lephilousophe> @vextanny you are the one here at risk for being kicked from this server.
[08:31] <grogbot_> [discord] <lephilousophe> Everyone is welcome on this server as long as rules are respected. You may not like what @ralseidewitt was proposing but 1) who are you to threaten him and argue with him and 2) the principle of open source is to let everyone tinker with the code. So, you don't like what is proposed, just walk away, take a breath and play some point and click game instead of imposing your views here.
[08:31] <grogbot_> [discord] <lephilousophe> That's the first and last warning.
[08:32] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> @lephilousophe i threatened somebody? here?
[08:32] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> i said "lets stop before WE get in trouble" and you turn it that way
[08:32] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> wow, the 2nd
[08:33] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> people call ME a troll?
[08:33] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> you defend that?
[08:33] <grogbot_> [discord] <lephilousophe> There
[08:33] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> i slowly get the impression the channels ethics dont match my own preferences.
[08:33] <grogbot_> [discord] <lephilousophe> I defend that you are the one assaulting here
[08:34] <grogbot_> [discord] <vextanny> no need to go on
[08:34] <grogbot_> [discord] <lephilousophe> We are clearly not in a positive mood
[08:34] <grogbot_> [discord] <lephilousophe> You are clearly not in a positive mood (edited)
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[08:54] <grogbot_> [discord] <sev____> @ralseidewitt we were kind of attempting to work on API that would expose the engine internals like hotspots and list of objects. Here is some WIP work on the topic: <https://github.com/scummvm/scummvm/pull/7135>
[08:54] <grogbot_> [discord] <sev____> As it was mentioned, since ScummVM is a set of game engines, such functionality must be implemented for every engine separately, there is no universal way.
[08:54] <grogbot_> [discord] <sev____> PS. I have no idea who that vextranny was
[08:55] <grogbot_> [discord] <sev____> ...someone who registered on Discord 2 weeks ago. So much legit
[08:55] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> THIS IS IT!
[08:55] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> That EXACTLY I'm looking for
[09:00] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> hmmm
[09:01] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> This is perfect for choosing hotspot
[09:01] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> but context, I think I need to manually describe scene
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[09:41] <Scummette> scummvm/master 07a5fb5 bluegr: NANCY: Use a helper method for case insensitive key matching in Nancy10
[09:41] <Scummette> scummvm/master 09764a1 bluegr: NANCY: Fix making phone calls within a closeup scene in Nancy10
[10:11] <grogbot_> [discord] <lephilousophe> maybe you could try to feed this to some AI image anlysis?
[10:11] <grogbot_> [discord] <lephilousophe> maybe you could try to feed this to some AI image analysis? (edited)
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[11:34] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> The AI streamer, Neuro-sama do have an image recognition component
[11:34] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> however, the creator made an SDK for game intergration makes a note
[11:34] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> to not rely on it being turned on
[11:34] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> So at minimum, maybe subtitles?
[11:38] <Scummette> [scummvm] dreammaster closed pull request #7559: MM: MM1: Add classic PC speaker sounds (master...mm1-pc-speaker-sound) Error, database insert failed
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[18:46] <ovf> ooh, i was just musing about how one'd accommodate gamepads (or touchscreens, for that matter) for point-and-clicks (so far i've only seen kathy rain director's cut attempt to do _something_ but not very successfully. having a hotspot api, there could be some universal accommodation for non-pointer devices?
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[23:37] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> That's the idea
[23:37] <grogbot_> [discord] <ralseidewitt> The hotspot API could help with keyboard only user too
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