ScummVM IRC Log - 02 Nov 2024

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[02:18] <grogbot> [discord] <mduggan> Heart of China intro movie now works properly - instead of using the TTM script engine, the original had some native code to do the scrolling (probably because it uses 3 overlapping layers) with a bunch of hard-coded offsets. It didn't take all that long to reproduce but was just something I'd been putting off
[02:18] <grogbot> [discord] <mduggan> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/1302094421688455188/scummvm-china-00003.png?ex=6726dd6d&is=67258bed&hm=a4fbee3409e7629b5b917f71f4d76cc212b6e4228e5920b2478db18d11641d80&
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[03:44] <grogbot> [discord] <dreammaster> The first travel agent scene of the Peiping region, aka. rooms section 2, was finally complete. And room 203, for the second room you go to, is shaping up to be one of the largest game scenes of the entire game, if not the largest. Currently I'm in progress implementing all the animation logic, which has already taken two days, and I'm not even sure if I'm even half way done. Then there's all the hardcoded logic for all the interac
[03:44] <grogbot> [discord] <dreammaster> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/1302116208497131530/scummvm-riddle-00004.png?ex=6726f1b8&is=6725a038&hm=777d3a4f795effc99bd0d5922086fa069b70c81ec7911dfffccdf71e812e98b0&
[03:45] <grogbot> [discord] <dreammaster> The first travel agent scene of the Peiping region, aka. rooms section 2, was finally complete. At least enough for the initial cutscene to play, and let you leave by the exit. And room 203, for the second room you go to, is shaping up to be one of the largest game scenes of the entire game, if not the largest. Currently I'm in progress implementing all the animation logic, which has already taken two days, and I'm not even sure if
[03:45] <grogbot> [discord] <dreammaster> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581224061091446795/1302116208497131530/scummvm-riddle-00004.png?ex=6726f1b8&is=6725a038&hm=777d3a4f795effc99bd0d5922086fa069b70c81ec7911dfffccdf71e812e98b0&
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[07:55] <Scummette> [scummvm] Strangerke pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/nSVi2k
[07:55] <Scummette> scummvm/master f9e1fc0 Strangerke: M4: RIDDLE: Partial implementation of room 205 (daemon up to trigger 1016)
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[13:18] <Scummette> [scummvm] athrxx pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/7YPHfq
[13:18] <Scummette> scummvm/master bc24fdc athrxx: SCUMM: (MI1/Mac) - fix music glitch when changing quality
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[14:49] <Scummette> [scummvm] neuromancer pushed 8 new commits to master: https://is.gd/ZcJQVA
[14:49] <Scummette> scummvm/master 95b8a6d neuromancer: FREESCAPE: correctly render the spirit meter when near the end of the game
[14:49] <Scummette> scummvm/master 6dd7eda neuromancer: FREESCAPE: allow to skip game over screens using more keys
[14:49] <Scummette> scummvm/master a720d83 neuromancer: FREESCAPE: make shield closer to original in castle
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[16:02] <Bestest> long shot; by any chance, does anyone here own any german-developed games with ring protection (besides tivola)? Mainly asking about Terzio (https://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php?title=Terzio), but interested in any others people might know
[16:02] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> All ringed games I have are from Tivola :/
[16:03] <Bestest> yeah, fair enough, haha
[16:04] <Bestest> I'm trying to research copy-X (specific ring protection) but it's annoying because it doesn't usually clearly identify itself as such, so most people online never referred to anything that way
[16:05] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> Ah, that's interesting, I just recently learned on the other Discord that that's what Tivola uses
[16:05] <Bestest> plus ProtectionID conflates copy-X and Ring Protech for some reason, despite them being (as far as I'm aware) unrelated, so people tend to mix that a lot too
[16:05] <Bestest> the other discord?
[16:06] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> VCPG
[16:06] <Bestest> oh, right
[16:06] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> VGPC (edited)
[16:06] <Bestest> yeah, that's probably from me haha
[16:06] <Bestest> I'd join the scummvm discord but i already used my phone number on another discord account
[16:06] <Bestest> was just asking here since the main customers i've seen so far are Tivola, Sixteen Tons Entertainment, Magix, and Terzio
[16:07] <Bestest> and Terzio has a lot of games in scummvm, so i was hoping someone here might know
[16:07] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> The Terzio games we have in the detection tables right now are a bit too "new" right now, they mostly rely on newer versions of Macromedia Director which are not supported yet
[16:08] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> And for some games I only have the re-releases that don't have a copy protection anymore
[16:08] <Bestest> ah gotcha
[16:08] <Bestest> terzio is especially annoying for this because it seems like they rereleased a bunch of games in 2008, and a lot of those have protectdisc
[16:08] <Bestest> but also some of those have copy-X?

[16:09] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> I don't know how to properly identify it though
[16:09] <Bestest> Yeah, that's how i first started looking into terzio
[16:09] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> e.g. for the Tivola games you have a folder with "ZDATA" or something like that on the disc
[16:09] <Bestest> I dunno what range of games has it

[16:09] <Bestest> (those are the only ones i've tested)
[16:09] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> but I also have a tivola disc where the hidden folder is named differently
[16:09] <Bestest> yeahh it's inconsistent
[16:10] <Bestest> what's it called on that one?
[16:10] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> let me check
[16:11] <Bestest> oh wait a second, those are hidden folders?
[16:11] <Bestest> I'm on linux, so I didn't know that
[16:11] <Bestest> that's actually really useful information, haha
[16:11] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> For the discs with "ZDATA", they are hidden on _most_ discs, but not on all
[16:11] <Bestest> ah gotcha
[16:11] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> and to make things even more fun, I have a rerelease that has the folder containing the "garbled" files, but no ring, so the files read properly...
[16:12] <Bestest> oh oooo, which one is that?
[16:12] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> It is one of the releases of "Masters of the Elements", I have like 4 copies of it and only one has the ring
[16:12] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> ironically, I got the version with the ring just a couple of weeks ago, so I didn't process it yet
[16:13] <Bestest> I haven't found any samples like that yet, the only game i have with remnants is the russian version of Emergency 2, which has remnants in a different way
[16:13] <Bestest> in terms of identification via files; if a disc has "optgraph.dll" on it, it's copy-X
[16:13] <Bestest> but unfortunately that's only one of two variants of copy-X
[16:13] <Bestest> the other variant, which is more common on tivola discs, doesn't have any actual software-based protection and just has the dummy folder
[16:13] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> I was wrong, the disc where I was thinking that the folder is named differently is also called "ZDAT"
[16:13] <Bestest> ah ok
[16:14] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> I have never seen optgraph.dll though
[16:14] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> none of my tivola discs has it
[16:14] <Bestest> yeah fair
[16:14] <Bestest> some tivola discs do have it
[16:14] <Bestest> but they don't seem to have used it as much
[16:14] <Bestest> the nice thing for identification is that thus far (and lining up with a statement from optimal media, the company who did copy-x), copy-X protected discs only seem to have mastering SID IFPI L571
[16:15] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> Affirmative, that applies to the discs I have
[16:15] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> They all have L571 or L573
[16:15] <Bestest> wait, some of the ringed ones have L573?
[16:17] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> ah, no L571 only... the 573 one doesn't have a ring
[16:17] <Bestest> ah gotcha
[16:17] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> so actually this information is very helpful
[16:17] <Bestest> anyhow, do you mind if I just talk to you in VGPC haha
[16:17] <grogbot> [discord] <rootfather> haha, no, go ahead 😄
[16:17] <Bestest> ty!

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[17:11] <Scummette> [scummvm] NMIError pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/VxlmyT
[17:11] <Scummette> scummvm/master db130d6 NMIError: DARKSEED: Improve CD music accuracy
[17:58] <Scummette> [scummvm] aquadran pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/L7Pbi9
[17:58] <Scummette> scummvm/master f887af8 aquadran: WINTERMUTE: Corrected conversion depth range from DX to OGL in perspective matrix
[18:11] <Scummette> [scummvm] aquadran pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/uCod5j
[18:11] <Scummette> scummvm/master 1bc848a aquadran: WINTERMUTE: Moved conversion depth range from DX to OGL to setProjectionTransform()
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[19:07] <Scummette> [scummvm] lephilousophe pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/lyDEjM
[19:07] <Scummette> scummvm/master 5ed9b34 lephilousophe: GUI: Resolve text alignment on reflow
[19:07] <Scummette> [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/XmZala
[19:07] <Scummette> scummvm/master f443c00 weblate: I18N: Update translations templates
[19:12] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 3 new commits to master: https://is.gd/RNvh2D
[19:12] <Scummette> scummvm/master 632d20d sev-: QDENGINE: DT: Print frame number for personages
[19:12] <Scummette> scummvm/master 5f7e562 sev-: QDENGINE: DT: Replace animation flags with icons
[19:12] <Scummette> scummvm/master c8bd577 sev-: QDENGINE: DT: Replaced game object flags with icons
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[20:11] <Scummette> [scummvm] dreammaster pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/qMDoqC
[20:11] <Scummette> scummvm/master 10b1010 dreammaster: M4: RIDDLE: More of room 203 daemon
[20:42] <Scummette> [scummvm] lephilousophe pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/sxm7Nj
[20:42] <Scummette> scummvm/master e3a13c7 lephilousophe: ANDROID: Move mouse cursor while displaying keyboard
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[21:36] <Scummette> [scummvm] mduggan pushed 3 new commits to master: https://is.gd/YS2Fpb
[21:36] <Scummette> scummvm/master 5b162ce mduggan: DGDS: Flop back to previous ADS orderring
[21:36] <Scummette> scummvm/master 53c1621 mduggan: DGDS: Finally really actually fix ADS exeuction order
[21:36] <Scummette> scummvm/master 8d08811 mduggan: DGDS: Implement stubs for HoC minigames
[21:49] <Scummette> [scummvm] Strangerke pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/lB20tY
[21:49] <Scummette> scummvm/master 80884b8 Strangerke: M4: RIDDLE: Partial implementation of room 205 (daemon up to trigger 1050)
[21:53] <Scummette> [scummvm] lephilousophe pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/edrji2
[21:53] <Scummette> scummvm/master 4008546 lephilousophe: BACKENDS: NETWORKING: Properly use urlToPath
[22:05] <Scummette> [scummvm] Strangerke pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/AOf0sp
[22:05] <Scummette> scummvm/master fe4f786 Strangerke: M4: RIDDLE: Partial implementation of room 205 (daemon complete)
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[22:57] <logix> in case somebody wants to snag it, "Return of the Phantom" (microprose, MADS engine, but I don't think supported yet) is free right now at gog.com
[23:03] <grogbot> [discord] <strangerke> Indeed, phantom isn't supported yet. When we stopped, the hardcoded logic was there iirc, but we had issues with the dialogs and we somehow switched to someting else
[23:03] <grogbot> [discord] <strangerke> "we" being dreammaster, bluegr and I
[23:03] <grogbot> [discord] <strangerke> It's been a while
[23:18] <grogbot> [discord] <dreammaster> I do want to return to it one of these days, but there's just always been other priorities. Plus MADS was a particularly difficult engine to work on. Maybe after I finally implement some of the Legend games, which has been on my long-term wish list for years.. particularly the Gateway games, and Companions of Xanth
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[23:23] <logix> for the most part I just wanted to point out that it's free right now (for the next ~14 hours), but also that while it "somewhere on the horizon" for scummvm, people grabbing it shouldn't expect it to work now (or any time soon) :) but thanks, I appreciate you guys working on it (even if it's on hiatus right now)
[23:24] <grogbot> [discord] <dreammaster> I mentioned elsewhere, but ironically the other MADS game Dragonsphere was actually free on GOG for years. But then it went back to being paid again a while back.
[23:25] <grogbot> [discord] <dreammaster> At worst, they've both been only a few dollars each, so when they're finally supported, it'll at least be easy for people to get a hold of them
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