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[02:56] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Hello, I think my ticket was misunderstood :
[02:56] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> https://bugs.scummvm.org/ticket/15090#comment:3
[02:56] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Maybe I was not clear enough 👀
[02:56] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> ( I speak French, by the way )
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[03:00] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Hello, I think my ticket was misunderstood :
[03:00] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> https://bugs.scummvm.org/ticket/15090#comment:3
[03:00] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Maybe I was not clear enough 👀
[03:00] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> ( I speak French, by the way )
[03:00] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> I should record videos to compare ScummVM 2.1.0 and latest Daily Build
[03:00] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> The game just skips lines itself (edited)
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Hello, I think my ticket was misunderstood :
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> https://bugs.scummvm.org/ticket/15090#comment:3
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Maybe I was not clear enough 👀
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> ( I speak French, by the way )
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> I should record videos to compare ScummVM 2.1.0 and latest Daily Build
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> The game just skips things by itself, so we can only read the first line of every speech that have multi-line subtitles (edited)
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Hello, I think my ticket was misunderstood :
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> https://bugs.scummvm.org/ticket/15090#comment:3
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Maybe I was not clear enough 👀
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> ( I speak French, by the way )
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> I should record videos to compare ScummVM 2.1.0 and latest Daily Build
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> The game just skips things by itself, we can only read the first line of every speech that have multi-line subtitles (edited)
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Hello, I think my ticket was misunderstood :
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> https://bugs.scummvm.org/ticket/15090#comment:3
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Maybe I was not clear enough 👀
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> ( I speak French, by the way )
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> I should record videos to compare ScummVM 2.1.0 and latest Daily Build
[03:03] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> The game just skips things by itself, we can only read the first line of every speech that have multi-line subtitles, so we can't read everything (edited)
[03:08] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Hello, I think my ticket was misunderstood :
[03:08] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> https://bugs.scummvm.org/ticket/15090
[03:08] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Maybe I was not clear enough 👀
[03:08] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> ( I speak French, by the way )
[03:08] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> I should record videos to compare ScummVM 2.1.0 and latest Daily Build
[03:08] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> The game just skips things by itself, we can only read the first line of every speech that have multi-line subtitles, so we can't read everything (edited)
[03:10] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Hello, I think my ticket was misunderstood :
[03:10] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> https://bugs.scummvm.org/ticket/15090
[03:10] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Maybe I was not clear enough 👀
[03:10] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> ( I speak French, by the way )
[03:10] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> I should record videos to compare ScummVM 2.1.0 and latest Daily Build
[03:10] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> I am not skipping anythint, the game just skips things by itself, we can only read the first line of every speech that have multi-line subtitles, so we can't read everything (edited)
[03:15] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Hello, I think my ticket was misunderstood :
[03:15] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> https://bugs.scummvm.org/ticket/15090
[03:15] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Maybe I was not clear enough 👀
[03:15] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> ( I speak French, by the way )
[03:15] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> I should record videos to compare ScummVM 2.1.0 and latest Daily Build
[03:15] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> I am not skipping anything, the game just skips things by itself, we can only read the first line of every speech that have multi-line subtitles, so we can't read everything (edited)
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[06:45] <Scummette> [scummvm] bluegr closed pull request #5755: DIRECTOR: Detection improvements (master...director-version-numbers) https://is.gd/HL0cCa
[07:06] <grogbot> [discord] <bosca_bo> I'll take a look
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[09:37] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- opened pull request #5759: BAGEL: New engine for Space Bar (master...bagel) https://is.gd/x2mZtX
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[10:49] <grogbot> [discord] <maht1265> Is there a list somewhere of other experimental engines I can try?
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[11:03] <grogbot> [discord] <bosca_bo> Heyhey, I took another look and compared with the original
[11:03] <grogbot> [discord] <bosca_bo> The original also skips the subtitle line you mentioned
[11:03] <grogbot> [discord] <bosca_bo> So this is somehow a bug with the original as well
[11:04] <grogbot> [discord] <bosca_bo> I don't know at the moment if there is anything I could do without breaking the subtitle subsystem, but I'll keep your ticket open for now
[11:05] <grogbot> [discord] <bosca_bo> This went unnoticed in the original release because historically these Humongous Entertainment games were made with speech only in mind, and subtitles were only kept on during the development phase
[11:06] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Oddly, on Steam, which uses ScummVM 2.1.0, it was showing every subtitles fines, and even allow to slow down using the subtitles speed option
[11:06] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> With the latest daily build, it looks like it just show subtitles super fast, ignorint the subtitle speed option, and even skipping multi-lines
[11:06] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Oddly, on Steam, which uses ScummVM 2.1.0, it was showing every subtitles just fine, and even allow to slow down using the subtitles speed option
[11:06] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> With the latest daily build, it looks like it just show subtitles super fast, ignorint the subtitle speed option, and even skipping multi-lines (edited)
[11:06] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Oddly, on Steam, which uses ScummVM 2.1.0, it was showing every subtitles just fine, and even allow to slow down using the subtitles speed option
[11:06] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> With the latest daily build, it looks like it just show subtitles super fast, ignoring the subtitle speed option, and even skipping multi-lines (edited)
[11:08] <grogbot> [discord] <bosca_bo> yes, I know, because ScummVM is not the original executable which originally shipped with the game, so the earlier version (2.1.0) was inaccurate in this aspect and was not interpreting the game internals as it should have done
[11:09] <grogbot> [discord] <bosca_bo> I know that this seems some kind of regression, but for one instance in which showing multiline subtitles was not an issue, there were a dozen in other games in which this behavior broke the flow in some other way
[11:09] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> I didn't know the original game was also doing that ^^;
[11:09] <grogbot> [discord] <bosca_bo> me neither until now 😄
[11:10] <grogbot> [discord] <bosca_bo> as I said though, I might look into it at some point, so I won't close the ticket
[11:11] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Also, I noticed something with the mouse size : it will be smaller and smaller if you play with the x2 x3 x4 x5 scalers
[11:11] <grogbot> [discord] <bosca_bo> yes, that's true, that's one thing I have on my list to solve
[11:11] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Ok, I was feeling this was already known x)
[11:13] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Anyway, thanks a lot for looking into that
[11:14] <grogbot> [discord] <bosca_bo> sure, thanks for your ticket!
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[11:17] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> I am playing every Humongous games with a friend who only speaks French
[11:17] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Every games are voiced in French, but I'll need stable subtitles the first two Putt-Putt games, since text is English only 😅
[11:22] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Then I discovered that the two latest Putt-Putt and Pajama Sam (not supported by ScummVM) are English only, and with no subtitles 🥳🎉
[11:22] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> This will be fun to translate for my friend 🤣
[11:23] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Then I discovered that the two latest Putt-Putt and Pajama Sam (not supported by ScummVM) are English only, and with no subtitles 🥳🎉
[11:23] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> They will be fun to translate for my friend 🤣 (edited)
[11:28] <grogbot> [discord] <ccawley2011> Theres a list of all known engines here: https://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php?title=Engines
[11:30] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/GxVjfM
[11:30] <Scummette> scummvm/master 65184d8 sev-: CREDITS: Added Linus as Finnish translator
[11:30] <Scummette> [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/kixOfc
[11:30] <Scummette> scummvm/master 4ee775a : I18N: Update translation files
[11:31] <grogbot> [discord] <ccawley2011> Its a combination of complete engines, engines that are in the official repository but not yet complete, engines that only exist in third-party forks, and engines that could be supported by existing engines but havent had any work done yet.
[11:31] <grogbot> [discord] <ccawley2011> Its a combination of complete engines, engines that are in the official repository but not yet complete, engines that only exist in third-party forks, and games that could be supported by existing engines but havent had any work done yet. (edited)
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[11:41] <Scummette> [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/EOfRsG
[11:41] <Scummette> scummvm/master 4810efb IlDucci: I18N: Update translation (Spanish)
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[12:22] <grogbot> [discord] <sev____> @gimlao the original games had no subtitles
[12:22] <grogbot> [discord] <sev____> they were only with voice overs
[12:23] <grogbot> [discord] <sev____> it is us, in ScummVM, we found out that the subtitles are actually present in the data and we show them. But their original purpose was for translators
[12:23] <grogbot> [discord] <sev____> IIRC, there are cases, I think with German localization when they do not even match with the voice overs
[12:24] <grogbot> [discord] <sev____> or like with Japanese localizations, the subtitles are in English, while voiceovers are Japanese
[12:28] <grogbot> [discord] <retrotude> There's even moments where the subtitles don't match the original English dialogue too. Off the top of my head I recall a few such moments in Putt-Putt Travels Through Time even as early as the prologue
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[12:29] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> I love these kinds of anecdotes
[12:29] <grogbot> [discord] <gimlao> Fascinating unexpected discoveries
[12:30] <grogbot> [discord] <retrotude> And I think even in the later games apart from the Backyard Sports titles subtitles were an option even in the original executables, but they were hidden in an .ini setting
[12:42] <grogbot> [discord] <sev____> yes, for developers/translators
[12:42] <grogbot> [discord] <sev____> typically the setting was called "TextOn"
[12:43] <grogbot> [discord] <sev____> We do support all of those original hidden and not-so-hidden keys
[12:43] <grogbot> [discord] <sev____> here is the list: <https://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php?title=Humongous_Entertainment/Games/INI_Settings>
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[12:45] <grogbot> [discord] <retrotude> I recall hearing secondhand that Humongous' customer support may have also offered it as an option to deaf/hard-of-hearing customers, but yeah, it was never a fully supported "official" option outside of those use cases.
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[13:17] <Scummette> [scummvm] spleen1981 opened pull request #5760: COMMON: clear mappedEvents list only if empty (master...fix_armv7_segfault) https://is.gd/rN4BaQ
[13:24] <Scummette> [scummvm] orgads opened pull request #5761: DEVTOOLS: Raise minimum cmake version to 3.13 (master...cmake-3.13) https://is.gd/TkCIVi
[13:34] <grogbot> [discord] <somaen> Freddi Fish had subtitles available in the mac release, as an option in the menu bar.
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[16:32] <Scummette> [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/iW75IA
[16:32] <Scummette> scummvm/master 2de346b tag2015: I18N: Update translation (Italian)
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[17:26] <grogbot> [discord] <ninekain> Is the FM towns the best version of Loom for a first timer?
[17:33] <grogbot> [discord] <sev____> normally, it is governed by the box you own. FM-TOWNS games are very rare and expensive
[17:35] <grogbot> [discord] <ninekain> I was talking in general
[17:35] <grogbot> [discord] <ninekain> Just curious for what the consensus is
[17:37] <grogbot> [discord] <codengine_de> I personally have only played the VGA version and that was fine because I didn't know the EGA version.
[17:37] <grogbot> [discord] <codengine_de> Due to cut content in vga, some people prefer the EGA version
[17:38] <grogbot> [discord] <codengine_de> I also grew up in the VGA era so... Personal preference
[17:38] <grogbot> [discord] <ninekain> The FM Towns has the content of the EGA version but isn't talkie
[17:40] <grogbot> [discord] <codengine_de> FM-Towns is VGA
[17:41] <grogbot> [discord] <ninekain> I meant the CD DOS VGA
[20:33] <Scummette> [scummvm] scemino pushed 3 new commits to master: https://is.gd/dM939r
[20:33] <Scummette> scummvm/master c74c6fb scemino: TWP: Add dialog choices animation
[20:33] <Scummette> scummvm/master 35aab78 scemino: TWP: Add shake animation when mouse is over a choice
[20:33] <Scummette> scummvm/master 3a211c4 scemino: TWP: Change key mapping descriptions
[20:33] <Scummette> [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/D6NlKW
[20:33] <Scummette> scummvm/master af5b0ab : I18N: Update translations templates
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[21:28] <Scummette> scummvm/master 4df5222 scemino: TWP: Improve keymap
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[21:28] <Scummette> scummvm/master 4fb0cce : I18N: Update translation files
[21:28] <Scummette> scummvm/master 2ff99ff : I18N: Update translations templates
[22:13] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- closed pull request #4643: NOTTESTED: DISCORD: load discord library dynamically (master...discorddyn) https://is.gd/uuqZXZ
[22:22] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- closed pull request #5661: DEVTOOLS: updated create-achievement scripts (master...pr/ags-black-hawk) https://is.gd/fnIuhB
[22:22] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 2 new commits to master: https://is.gd/HFfGe7
[22:22] <Scummette> scummvm/master 0643308 mgerhardy: DEVTOOLS: unified readme
[22:22] <Scummette> scummvm/master 81f2ea9 mgerhardy: DEVTOOLS: use the selenium module to work around the cloudflare bot protection
[22:22] <Scummette> [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/mdfBhH
[22:22] <Scummette> scummvm/master 5b396f4 : I18N: Update translation files
[22:28] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- closed pull request #5679: DUMPER: Add feature to extract data from ISO9660 and hybrid disk images (master...dumper_iso9660_hybrid) https://is.gd/JDmiUn
[22:28] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 7 new commits to master: https://is.gd/0K7jUv
[22:28] <Scummette> scummvm/master 90ab5bf Darkhood148: DEVTOOLS: DUMPERCOMPANION: support iso9660 and hybrid disk images
[22:28] <Scummette> scummvm/master 11279cd Darkhood148: DEVTOOLS: DUMPERCOMPANION: support Joliet, Rock Ridge and UDF extensions
[22:28] <Scummette> scummvm/master 4aa571b Darkhood148: DEVTOOLS: DUMPERCOMPANION: support puny encoding, japanese and dry run for iso9660
[22:37] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- closed pull request #5717: GRAPHICS: NINEPATCH: Change the way remaining_stretch is distributed (master...macventure_ninepatch) https://is.gd/L4HXbc
[22:37] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 2 new commits to master: https://is.gd/OnDcsW
[22:37] <Scummette> scummvm/master 37f8f82 polyesterswing: Revert "GRAPHICS: Round border length to nearest interger"
[22:37] <Scummette> scummvm/master deff7ab polyesterswing: GRAPHICS: NINEPATCH: Change the way remaining_stretch is distributed
[22:41] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- closed pull request #5732: DIRECTOR: LINGO: TEST: Adds lingo test for getNthFileNameInFolder [WIP] (master...getNthFile) https://is.gd/6LgTUX
[22:41] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/V8yJCL
[22:41] <Scummette> scummvm/master 0af4950 Darkhood148: DIRECTOR: LINGO: Adds cache file and test for getNthFileNameInFolder
[22:42] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- closed pull request #5734: CHAMBERS: Refactor code for HGA compatibility (master...chambers) https://is.gd/l1sBwO
[22:42] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/T0gffJ
[22:42] <Scummette> scummvm/master 15602e7 : CHAMBERS: Refactor code for HGA compatibility
[22:44] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- closed pull request #5736: GRAPHICS: Reduce the size of the YUV to RGB tables (master...yuvtorgb-tables) https://is.gd/AlW42G
[22:44] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 3 new commits to master: https://is.gd/PGPdJd
[22:44] <Scummette> scummvm/master c18bc24 ccawley2011: GRAPHICS: Reduce the size of the YUV to RGB tables
[22:44] <Scummette> scummvm/master eb4359c ccawley2011: GRAPHICS: Further reduce the size of the YUV to RGB tables
[22:44] <Scummette> scummvm/master 25db76b ccawley2011: GRAPHICS: Reuse YUV lookup tables for identical RGB component sizes
[22:54] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- closed pull request #5737: DIRECTOR: Fixes for Hell Cab (master...xtra) https://is.gd/9k6l9k
[22:54] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 29 new commits to master: https://is.gd/Vchu3V
[22:54] <Scummette> scummvm/master cf80347 moralrecordings: DEVTOOLS: director-generate-xobj-stub: Fix XObj::open() calling convention
[22:54] <Scummette> scummvm/master 2b170f6 moralrecordings: DIRECTOR: XOBJ: Add stubs for Hell Cab libraries
[22:54] <Scummette> scummvm/master abba881 moralrecordings: DIRECTOR: Fix start offset of wipe transitions
[22:54] <Scummette> [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/xuUona
[22:54] <Scummette> scummvm/master 298f621 : I18N: Update translations templates
[22:57] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- closed pull request #5748: GUI: Keep caret visible in editable widgets while moving it with the keyboard (master...gui-caret-visibility) https://is.gd/gSBtLM
[22:57] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/bz4lv6
[22:57] <Scummette> scummvm/master a469135 : GUI: Keep caret visible in editable widgets while moving it
[22:57] <Scummette> [scummvm] ScummVM-Translations pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/yNTztX
[22:57] <Scummette> scummvm/master 59689ea : I18N: Update translation files
[22:59] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- closed pull request #5750: DIRECTOR: add various games to detection tables (master...add-games-director-2) https://is.gd/ffVVEN
[22:59] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 5 new commits to master: https://is.gd/u6DkMi
[22:59] <Scummette> scummvm/master 6b0c4d7 meekee7: DIRECTOR: add various games to detection tables
[22:59] <Scummette> scummvm/master b3fdd91 meekee7: DIRECTOR: detect French copies of Albert 4
[22:59] <Scummette> scummvm/master dcb54a4 meekee7: DIRECTOR: remove lang param for Albert 5 detection
[23:04] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- closed pull request #5758: ULTIMA4: Support pixel formats other than RGB565 (master...ultima4-pixel-format) https://is.gd/P0VQrE
[23:04] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/a8pkob
[23:04] <Scummette> scummvm/master 1acd4af ccawley2011: ULTIMA4: Support pixel formats other than RGB565
[23:05] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- closed pull request #5760: COMMON: clear mappedEvents list only if empty (master...fix_armv7_segfault) https://is.gd/rN4BaQ
[23:05] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/cgVOII
[23:05] <Scummette> scummvm/master a72296b spleen1981: COMMON: clear mappedEvents list only if empty
[23:06] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- closed pull request #5761: DEVTOOLS: Raise minimum cmake version to 3.13 (master...cmake-3.13) https://is.gd/TkCIVi
[23:06] <Scummette> [scummvm] sev- pushed 1 new commits to master: https://is.gd/gRHOeg
[23:06] <Scummette> scummvm/master 58c6eb9 orgads: DEVTOOLS: Raise minimum cmake version to 3.13
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