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I cannot seem to find any way to build nigthlies with a different set of configure arguments then the dailies. [01:44] "work" = "PR" [01:50] GitHub65 (~GitHub65@192.30.252.45) joined #scummvm. [01:50] [scummvm] dreammaster pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vyVXE [01:50] scummvm/master 3e1d298 Paul Gilbert: TITANIC: Properly implement CBaseStarEntry equality test [01:50] GitHub65 (GitHub65@192.30.252.45) left #scummvm. [02:06] Nick change: Vampire0_ -> Vampire0 [02:26] Dominus (~dominus@unaffiliated/dominus) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:28] lavosspawn (~lavosspaw@p5DE8621D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:29] Dominus (~dominus@194-166-45-27.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #scummvm. [02:29] Dominus (~dominus@194-166-45-27.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Changing host [02:29] Dominus (~dominus@unaffiliated/dominus) joined #scummvm. 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[12:58] Vampire0_ (~Vampire@jEdit/Vampire) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:21] ajax16384 (~User@109.60.138.138) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:10] Tkachov_ (~Tkachov@84.237.53.198) joined #scummvm. [14:17] Tea (~tea@fsf/member/tea) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:19] Tea (~tea@fsf/member/tea) joined #scummvm. [14:22] Could someone with webserver access please update the server with my recent changes in scummvm-sites of the buildbot master.cfg? The only net change is ".zip"->"zip" for psp which will allow the latest nightly to be accessible via the webpage instead of being build with extension "..zip" as is currently the case [14:23] Psp2 I mean [14:24] See stdio of package step on latest nightly (build 21) of master psp2 build [14:25] First line shows the ..zip problem [14:51] I don't see any commit? [15:11] _sev|work (~sev@scummvm/undead/sev) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [15:24] all that redesign discussion made me want to sketch my own vision of site redesign in green: http://tkachov.ru/scummvm/flat/site.png [15:29] wjp: you mean on scummvm-sites? [15:35] but I guess you mean the change from days ago [15:36] Yes it is very old, but it should be updated [15:43] Tkachov_ : Loving the flat design! And really like the placements of the buttons too :D. But don't you think it'll look better if the colors were the same as the one one scummvm.org? [15:43] nah, like the greens better :D [15:44] Ah ok, i'm working on my next mockup right now and mine somehow turned out pretty similar to that :P. May i know what tool you used to make the same? [15:44] I think it looks much cleaner with green/white rather than with orange/pale yellow [15:45] ^i agree i'd like a color change from the orange/yellow too, that kind of gives it an outdated look, but i'd rather go with a baby blue and white, but hey that's just a personal preference :P [15:45] I'm usually using Fireworks for drawing [15:46] it has its own fw.png, where it stores all layers separately, so if you need one, I can pass it to you [15:46] wjp: you can see the problem with a grep .zip on master.cfg [15:46] "gui/themes/scummclassic.zip", [15:47] "gui/themes/scummmodern.zip", [15:47] "dists/engine-data/wintermute.zip", [15:47] "archive_format": "zip" [15:47] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:47] "../../src-master/src/backends/platform/psp/kbd.zip" [15:47] "../../src-stable/src/backends/platform/psp/kbd.zip" [15:47] "archive_format": ".zip" [15:47] "archive_format": "zip" [15:47] Last message repeated 5 time(s). [15:47] line number 8 is psp2 ;) [15:47] and is currently wrong [15:48] Tkachov_: Nice, i'll try my hand at fireworks too, thanks :) [15:49] i dont think the web site update should be an exercise in rebranding [15:51] TMM (~hp@fsf/member/pdpc.professional.tmm) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [15:51] ^ i agree, if the color scheme has stuck to the website for some time and people are familiar with it, then i wouldn't want to change it either. I'm working with the same colors, btw :) [15:54] snover: I recently posted similar redesign mockups for desktop ScummVM, so I think that could be appropriate to update both site and app at the same time [15:54] it's kinda 2017 already [15:55] Vampire0_ (~Vampire@jEdit/Vampire) joined #scummvm. [15:56] Vampire0 (~Vampire@jEdit/Vampire) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:03] WooShell (~Markus@ipbcc071f7.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined #scummvm. [16:03] meow =^.^= [16:39] Littleboy (~littleboy@c-73-186-252-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #scummvm. 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[18:44] waltervn (~waltervn@541B2DBA.cm-5-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) left irc: Disconnected by services [18:44] Nick change: waltervn_ -> waltervn [18:44] sorry, not sure what's going on here [18:48] jamm (~jam@unaffiliated/jamm) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:52] the CIA messed up the exploit for your TV and is accidentally resetting your online connection [18:53] ajax16384 (~User@109.60.130.33) joined #scummvm. [18:53] #scummvm: mode change '+o ajax16384' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [19:42] SylvainTV (~SylvainTV@LFbn-1-8392-241.w81-254.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #scummvm. [19:42] #scummvm: mode change '+o SylvainTV' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [19:43] waltervn (~waltervn@541B2DBA.cm-5-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) left irc: Quit: brb [19:52] indrora (~indrora@zaibatsutel.net) joined #scummvm. [19:52] Ahoy! I'm thinking of picking up the touch GUI stuff for GSoC; I'm guessing I shold tap _sev on the shoulder [19:53] I have ideas, but I'm looking mostly for guidance on a few of the finer points of how ScummVM handles input internally [19:53] hello [19:54] o/ [19:55] Vampire0_ (~Vampire@jEdit/Vampire) joined #scummvm. [19:55] what would you like to know more about? [19:56] What's the HAL look like? Specifically, how does ScummVM differentiate different kinds of inputs vs. what the underlying engines are expecting? [19:57] Vampire0 (~Vampire@jEdit/Vampire) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:58] t0by (~t0by@unaffiliated/t0by) joined #scummvm. [19:58] #scummvm: mode change '+v t0by' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [20:00] That's a pretty broad question [20:00] Generally the engines expect mouse/keyboard input [20:01] Is there any kind of abstraction that ScummVM has? [20:01] We have event handling code that turns platform input into a standard set of events [20:01] Okay. [20:01] The final events that the engines see are Common::Event objects (common/events.h) [20:01] And engines can query things like current mouse position independently [20:02] How complicated the event transformation is varies a bit per platform, as you can probably imagine [20:02] But the relevant code is in backends/events [20:03] I'm not personally very familiar with the non-desktop platform event handling, but others here may know more [20:03] Yeah. I just tried playing flight of the amazon queen on my tablet using finger input and it was zero-to-impossible. [20:03] android? iOS? [20:03] Win64 [20:05] I have 2 windows devices with touch input (laptop, tablet) and one with pen input (tablet). My goal with the GSoC project would be to make touch -- plus optionally pen -- good input mechanisms. [20:05] That would be very welcome [20:05] I don't know how Linux Handles touch input (I'd assume Xorg goes "It's a mouse") [20:06] My second bonus would be getting all these interactions running on Android, since I also have both a Nexus 4 and a Kindle Fire. [20:06] waltervn (~waltervn@541B2DBA.cm-5-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined #scummvm. [20:06] #scummvm: mode change '+o waltervn' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [20:07] indrora: on some level it goes through X11, yes, but scummvm just talks to SDL [20:07] Can SDL determine input type (pen, touch, mouse, spatula)? [20:07] I think it has at least *some* idea of different input devices, but I'm not sure if it's fully up to date on that [20:08] https://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL_TouchFingerEvent cursory search says "touch at least" [20:08] I could (worst case) write some Win32-specific stuff to consume pen input actions. [20:09] It "mostly" comes up as a mouse to non-aware applications, which helps somewhat. But, disabling touch when pen input comes around would make for a better interaction (no accidential palm boops) [20:10] Vampire0 (~Vampire@p5088D384.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #scummvm. [20:10] Vampire0 (~Vampire@p5088D384.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Changing host [20:10] Vampire0 (~Vampire@jEdit/Vampire) joined #scummvm. [20:10] indrora: the DS port also does touch, perhaps you cane take some inspiration from there [20:10] this isn't really your question, I just wanted to mention it [20:11] s/cane/can/ [20:11] Vampire0_ (~Vampire@jEdit/Vampire) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:11] No, this is *very* pointed for my questions. [20:12] I'll fiddle around with the DS port if it runs on a DSLite w/ flashcart [20:13] Mostly: I want to know how things like right-click are handled in the current touch interactions. [20:13] so do smartphone ports btw, but I assume they're all touch-only whereas the DS allows use of both the crosspad and the touchscreen, so it might be closer to what you have in mind (or perhaps not) [20:13] indrora: yeah, that should work [20:14] I'll peek around. I'm just now finished with midterms, so I have a week to doot around some codebases. [20:19] From a procedure standpoint: Since I'm looking at *specifically* Win32 support, would a new "win32sdl" event backend be in order to handle incoming events from the win32 input queue (e.g. touch/pen/etc)? [20:21] I don't want to just glue more things on top of the default event manager. That seems... inelegant. [20:22] future maintainability will probably play a large role in that decision [20:22] definitely. I'd like to make sure I know what goes into that when I put together my proposal. [20:24] It does look like it's common to do so (especially given how WinCE - long let it be dead - has its own input handler) [20:29] Vampire0_ (~Vampire@jEdit/Vampire) joined #scummvm. [20:30] Vampire0 (~Vampire@jEdit/Vampire) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:40] Strangerke (~Strangerk@cable-85.28.84.13.coditel.net) joined #scummvm. [20:40] #scummvm: mode change '+o Strangerke' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [20:41] hi guys [20:44] Joefish (~Joefish@p200300C6F3C48900667B6A8B86F7F069.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:49] <_sev> indrora: as a start you may take a look here: https://github.com/scummvm/scummvm/pull/401 [20:54] indrora: note there's an AndroidSDL port in addition to regular Android. I think the AndroidSDL port has more mature touch support, and also supports analog joystick mouse pointer. There's no buildbot for it yet, but Lubomyr has recently improved it. I am not sure where the latest executable is. I think it was a forum post by Lubomyr. [20:55] rsn8887: I'll look into it. [20:58] Vampire0 (~Vampire@jEdit/Vampire) joined #scummvm. [20:58] Vampire0_ (~Vampire@jEdit/Vampire) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:11] ajax16384 (~User@109.60.130.33) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:20] Joefish (~Joefish@p200300C6F3C489001A5E0FFFFE1124CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #scummvm. [21:28] eriktorbjorn (~d91tan@h136n7.blg-stadsnat.ias.bredband.telia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:29] eriktorbjorn (~d91tan@h136n7.blg-stadsnat.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined #scummvm. [21:29] #scummvm: mode change '+o eriktorbjorn' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [21:34] vinayakvivek (uid121616@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ssxyaoierdyvtpml) left irc: Quit: Connection closed for inactivity [22:35] noname120[m]: don;t have my Vita. If you want you can test it, the vpk is here: https://mega.nz/#!QNQn0JbB!8LcgB_TFwJGBZNmdz5JLyWGovFVD3RN7-BovuPsQjqc [22:35] Sorry wrong channel [22:42] ny00123 (~ny00123@89-139-222-178.bb.netvision.net.il) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:42] GitHub128 (~GitHub128@192.30.252.42) joined #scummvm. [22:42] [scummvm] rsn8887 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vyrhe [22:42] scummvm/master f323cff rsn8887: PSP2: optimize compilation for file-size [22:42] GitHub128 (GitHub128@192.30.252.42) left #scummvm. [22:44] I fixed the crash on startup when building with "--enable-all-engines" on Vita. It was simply changing -O1 to -Os to reduce executable size. [22:45] Now the nightlies should be usable (if someone updates scummvm-sites to include my ".zip"->"zip") fix. [22:46] on the topic of engines, is it supported to put each engine in a dll? [22:47] Henke37: I think it is already supported on some platforms, via --enable-plugins or some such. [22:48] For example, that's how scummVM runs on the PSP with very limited RAM. [22:48] Not sure about Windows. [22:57] Maybe one of the senior devs could give me a quick heads up how I can make the change to update the actual buildbot server with the config from https://github.com/scummvm/scummvm-sites ? I already have access and can see the old master.cfg file on ~buildbot/scummvm-sites/config on the server [22:58] I suppose I can impersonate buildbot and do a git pull? [23:01] done [23:03] wjp: Thanks very much, I just saw you do it :) figured it out too [23:03] Ok so we should have working vita nightlies now. [23:03] That don't crash. [23:06] waltervn (~waltervn@541B2DBA.cm-5-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:06] WooShell (~Markus@ipbcc071f7.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) left irc: Quit: If you understand or if you don't, if you believe or if you doubt - There's a universal justice, and the eyes of truth are always watching you. 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