ScummVM IRC Log - 08 Aug 2016

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[00:00] <snover> hard to say for sure, there are all sorts of volume numbers that are not representing reality
[00:08] <dreammaster> I can relate. I must have spent half an hour banging my head against a call to a virtual method with the wrong number of parameters, and it wasn't just optional unused parameters, it literally looked like they shoved a few extra parameters in the middle of the parameter list. I kept going back and forth checking the caller, ensuring it was calling the right object VMT, and the method parameters
[00:08] <dreammaster> for that method really were correct.
[00:08] <dreammaster> Finally, I gave up and decided it was a bug in their original code.
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[00:23] <snover> be grateful it was only 30 minutes :)
[00:25] <dreammaster> Indeed. Though sooner or later I'm going to have to return the whole mess of the star control class hierarchy, shudder. So many vertex, matrix, projection, and display classes, for such a small part of the game
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[01:52] <GitHub156> [scummvm] dreammaster pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v6s4Q
[01:52] <GitHub156> scummvm/master a1affaa Paul Gilbert: TITANIC: Implemented CAutoMusicPlayerBase class
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[06:53] <blorente> Morning
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[08:06] <Strangerke|work> hi guys
[08:07] <blorente> hi Strangerke|work
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[08:11] <rootfather> hi Strangerke|work
[08:11] <rootfather> hi blorente
[08:12] <blorente> hi rootfather
[08:17] <omer_mor|work> good morning
[08:18] <omer_mor|work> was "Star Control II" ever on the radar for any of devs here?
[08:18] <omer_mor|work> One of the best adventure games I played as a child
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[08:20] <Strangerke|work> omer_mor|work: it's already rewritten/ported/enhanced
[08:20] <Strangerke|work> http://sc2.sourceforge.net/
[08:20] <Strangerke|work> Do you consider to talk to them for a merge?
[08:22] <omer_mor|work> I know about them
[08:22] <omer_mor|work> I just wondered why scummvm never picked it up
[08:22] <Strangerke|work> Note that it's one of the few retro gaming project which isn't crediting wjp for something... It's weird. :)
[08:22] <omer_mor|work> maybe none of the devs played it?
[08:22] <omer_mor|work> huh?
[08:22] <Strangerke|work> I never ever tried to propose it because the arcade part was quite large. I suspected it would be rejected
[08:23] <omer_mor|work> that joke went over my head...
[08:23] <omer_mor|work> oh - right, lot's of melee action
[08:23] <wjp> Strangerke|work: I do have a patch in there :-)
[08:23] <omer_mor|work> still didn't get the wjp joke ..
[08:23] <Strangerke|work> I'm just kidding because wjp is credited on nuvie, exult, pentagram, GemRB, ... at least based on my weak memory
[08:23] <Strangerke|work> wjp: ha, good :D
[08:23] <omer_mor|work> =)
[08:25] <Strangerke|work> omer_mor|work: I wouldn't be against a merge, but I'm a crazy inclusionist so most likely you shouldn't listen to me
[08:26] <wanwan> bonjour
[08:27] <omer_mor|work> the freesci merge turned pretty well, so I'm for it :)

[08:28] <Strangerke|work> omer_mor|work: SCI was essentially about pure adventure games, and it required a lot of work
[08:28] <Strangerke|work> And FreeSCI guys were willing to work on it
[08:29] <m_kiewitz> omer_mor|work: most of freesci didn't survive. Some kernel functions did survive, VM survived, pathfinding survived but I think that's basically it
[08:29] <m_kiewitz> all of the graphics code was rewritten, because it caused all sorts of issues (FreeSCI used clean room approach)
[08:30] <m_kiewitz> especially sci1.1 and also sci1 games were basically fully broken using the original graphics code
[08:30] <m_kiewitz> sci0 games sort of worked
[08:31] <m_kiewitz> the basis for the new graphics code was greg's reverse engineered SCI engine
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[08:32] <Strangerke|work> omer_mor|work: There's still an IRC channel, #sc2
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[08:34] <omer_mor|work> greg?
[08:34] <Strangerke|work> Greg, from FreeSCI
[08:34] <omer_mor|work> what's his alias?
[08:35] <Strangerke|work> Wasn't it Greg?
[08:36] <Strangerke|work> or maybe _FRG_?
[08:36] <m_kiewitz> greg's engine was REd from king's quest 5 afaik
[08:37] <m_kiewitz> and then it took ages to implement all sorts of changes that were made inbetween. And the engine had of course some inaccuracies as well and and and
[08:38] <m_kiewitz> and then there was sci1.1 of course with even more changes and features
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[08:38] <wanwan> Strangerke|work: you got it all wrong! :)
[08:39] <Strangerke|work> :P
[08:40] <omer_mor|work> so it was not a simple merge and required tons of work for it to reach the stable state is is in now. but still, had it not been merged, I guess sci emulation would be years behind. so the merge was a great step forward.
[08:40] <m_kiewitz> yes
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[08:40] <m_kiewitz> haha, Pushing up roses used my King's Quest collection photo :P
[08:41] <m_kiewitz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3AO9Cv_Qag&t=9m12s
[08:41] <omer_mor|work> the star control 2 project is actually in a very good stage, so not much benefit from merge, other than it would be cool to play it in scummvm
[08:41] <omer_mor|work> I think they got all the code from the authors
[08:42] <m_kiewitz> omer_mor|work: the whole VM is still used. Without freesci + greg's engine, it would have taken even more ages
[08:43] <m_kiewitz> when was the first ScummVM release with SCI support? End of 2010?
[08:43] <m_kiewitz> i started working in greg's engine maybe august 2009 or so
[08:43] <omer_mor|work> yes: http://scummvm.org/news/20101015/
[08:44] <omer_mor|work> was greg's engine a different project/branch?
[08:44] <omer_mor|work> is it the "glutton" branch in freesci?
[08:44] <m_kiewitz> yes
[08:44] <m_kiewitz> to the first question
[08:44] <m_kiewitz> i think waltervn sent it to me back then
[08:44] <m_kiewitz> or maybe sev? idk anymore
[08:44] <omer_mor|work> it was not open-souce?
[08:44] <m_kiewitz> no idea
[08:45] <m_kiewitz> it was work in progress, wasn't finished at all
[08:45] <omer_mor|work> i don't think I ever heard of this "greg engine"
[08:45] <Strangerke|work> I just remember that the announcement of SCI was at the same time than Fascination, so everybody happily ignored it to play SCI
[08:46] <Strangerke|work> *snif*
[08:46] <m_kiewitz> i also got greg's KQ5 IDB, that was quite a lot of help as well
[08:46] <Strangerke|work> http://scummvm.org/news/20101015/
[08:53] <waltervn> re: the "glutton" branch of FreeSCI, see http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.93.9804&rep=rep1&type=pdf
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[08:59] <omer_mor|work> yeah - i know the paper
[08:59] <omer_mor|work> there was also the pathfinding paper by walter
[08:59] <waltervn> right..
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[09:11] <omer_mor|work> so I tried searching a bit and found very little about Greg's SCI engine.
[09:12] <omer_mor|work> it was mentioned here: https://sourceforge.net/p/scummvm/mailman/message/31427041/
[09:12] <omer_mor|work> was it really closed source?
[09:15] <omer_mor|work> I guess this is his site: http://www.frieger.com/
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[09:26] <waltervn> AFAIK he never made the code public. I don't know exactly how this went down, because this happened before we merged.
[09:30] <Henke37> oh? what did I miss?
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[09:37] <waltervn> all of this is ancient history, circa 2009
[09:37] <omer_mor|work> it's still very interesting.
[09:38] <omer_mor|work> it's interesting to note that in the news announcement (http://scummvm.org/news/20101015/) he was not mentioned: "Incredible work by the FreeSCI team and our own SCI engine team!"
[09:38] <omer_mor|work> at least not explicitly
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[09:47] <waltervn> he's listed as part of the SCI engine team in AUTHORS
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[09:56] <waltervn> I think originally FreeSCI was merged in in early 2009, and then bits of pieces were replaced with stuff from Greg's engine, other bits rewritten etc
[09:57] <waltervn> it's important to note that Greg's engine was still very much work-in-progress
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[10:16] <waltervn> omer_mor|work: see also https://sourceforge.net/p/scummvm/mailman/message/21703868/ (1.5 years before the 1.2.0 release)
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[11:13] <blorente> Hello :) I had an idea yesterday, to allow for some basic automatic testing in the engines.
[11:15] <blorente> I have set up a debug channel called 'tests', and on the run method of the engine, the first thing it does is check for that flag. If that flag is set, it jumps straight to a very small and bad testing framework that I wrote yesterday: https://github.com/blorente/ktest
[11:16] <blorente> However, some basic tests were able to run, and I also got to mock a component of the engine: https://github.com/blorente/scummvm/tree/macventure/engines/macventure/tests
[11:17] <blorente> So, I was wondering if a) anybody had any feedback for the framework itself, to make it better, and b) whether this would be of any real use, to test other engines and such
[11:18] <blorente> For example, it could be hooked before the run()
[11:19] <blorente> I won't (can't) dedicate it much time during GSoC, but if you think it could be useful I could work on it after
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[11:47] <omer_mor|work> blorente: what's the advantage of your testing framework on other cpp testing frameworks?
[11:47] <blorente|home> omer_mor|work: It works with scummvm engines
[11:48] <blorente|home> I think there were not suitable framweorks
[11:48] <omer_mor|work> I believe to add automatic testing, scummvm would have to add some kind of automation support?
[11:49] <omer_mor|work> what's different in ktest? why it is works with scummvm engines and other frameworks don't?
[11:50] <blorente|home> I have no idea why the other frameworks don't work. I know that catch doesn't because of incompatibility with SDL
[11:50] <blorente|home> but I know that we have an existing framework for `common`
[11:50] <blorente|home> But I think that it couldn't be added to the engines
[11:51] <omer_mor|work> At Google we work with https://github.com/google/googletest
[11:51] <omer_mor|work> works pretty well
[11:51] <blorente|home> I have used it too
[11:51] <omer_mor|work> never compared to other c++ frameworks though
[11:52] <blorente|home> I just assumed it didn't work, since when I asked there were issues raised
[11:52] <blorente|home> don't rememeber them preciselythough
[11:52] <omer_mor|work> i would guess the main issue would be lack of automation support for scummvm
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[11:53] <omer_mor|work> gui apps need hooks for triggering events and monitoring changes
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[11:53] <omer_mor|work> I don't think scummvm have something like that exposed
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[11:54] <blorente> No, they don't. I wasn't targeting gui testing, o rendering. I was thinking more on testing decoders, for example
[11:55] <blorente> More like unit tests, not system or integration tests
[11:55] <omer_mor|work> oh, ok
[11:55] <omer_mor|work> that would be easier
[11:57] <blorente> Although I'm sure that it is possible to inject events, which would be a way to test the system
[11:57] <_sev|work> in fact we do have a testing framework
[11:58] <_sev|work> it is called Event Recorder
[11:58] <_sev|work> but it is not stable
[11:58] <_sev|work> somebody needs to take a look into that and complete it
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[12:01] <blorente> Yeah, that would be ideal
[12:06] <_sev|work> you may give it a shoot as well, if you like
[12:08] <blorente> That is daunting, but it looks really interesting, I may take a look after gsoc
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[12:13] <GitHub163> [scummvm] dreammaster pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v6GtP
[12:13] <GitHub163> scummvm/master 3bece5f Paul Gilbert: TITANIC: Implemented CSeasonalMusicPlayer class
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[12:13] <bgK> Regarding in engine tests, I have this lying around: Test framework: https://github.com/bgK/residualvm/commit/3ed57987a234f8ab6cb684f6ddafd4f8cc1151d3 Sample tests: https://github.com/bgK/residualvm/commit/520e9fd07caa17fd2227a1e60b9c2a8423495a40. It's kind of the same thing blorente did, and looks a lot like GoogleTest.
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[12:27] <blorente1> Bgk: yours is much better :)
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[12:43] <bgK> well, I never got to finish it, nor see if there was interest in something like that for inclusion in ScummVM
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[15:22] <Strangerke|work> Littleboy: hey
[15:22] <Littleboy> Hello
[15:22] <Strangerke|work> what's up? :)
[15:23] <Strangerke|work> Still uber-busy with work?
[15:25] <Littleboy> pretty much :(
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[15:32] <Strangerke|work> If my memory serves me well, you spent some time back in the days on Cryo games
[15:33] <Strangerke|work> Or am I mixing with axerl tribe games?
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[15:38] <wanwan> Strangerke|work: those are Omni3d engine-based
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[15:42] <Strangerke|work> wanwan: I wanted to make sure, and ask if pre-Cryo games are sharing something with lost eden
[15:42] <Strangerke|work> Exxos games, not to name them ;)

[15:46] <wanwan> actually, it's complicated
[15:46] <Strangerke|work> I'm sure you'll agree we need Commander Blood in ScummVM ;)
[15:46] <Strangerke|work> (and Kult)
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[15:46] <Strangerke|work> And I'm pretty sure it shares absolutely nothing :)
[15:46] <wanwan> for example, dune has a good chunk of same code as eden (dialog system, animation system)
[15:47] <Strangerke|work> yep, he worked on Dune too
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[15:47] <wanwan> contrary, another game around that time also by cryo has pretty much zero in common, except sound driver and command line parsing routines
[15:48] <wanwan> maybe some lowlevel drawing routines, too
[15:49] <wanwan> commander blood, as i remember, uses its own engine as well
[15:50] <wanwan> however, all of them use same FMV code
[15:50] <wanwan> evolving little by little
[15:55] <L0ngcat> heh
[15:57] <Strangerke|work> Commander Blood are very exactly 0% FMV
[15:58] <Strangerke|work> and it's a pure-assembly custom engine, afaict
[15:58] <L0ngcat> the music from Warcraft Adventures - Lord of the Clans was just released online (illegally, of course). Seems someone in his country got in touch with Man-Biker, had someone write a special audio converter and then release the soundtrack.
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[15:59] <L0ngcat> I wonder if this game will ever be released in my lifetime
[16:00] <Strangerke|work> Who knows :)
[16:00] <wanwan> Strangerke|work: cd edition has some, if i'm not confusing it with cb2
[16:00] <Strangerke|work> But certainly not officially
[16:00] <m_kiewitz> cryo, those are the ones that created that Dune RTS/adventure game, correct?
[16:00] <L0ngcat> Strangerke|work: I am still crossing my fingers at you getting that job at Blizzard
[16:01] <Strangerke|work> L0ngcat: I didn't get it :/
[16:01] <Strangerke|work> m_kiewitz: yes
[16:01] <m_kiewitz> but that cryo engine is something else and not the one used for dune?
[16:01] <L0ngcat> Strangerke|work: I know :/ there will be more
[16:01] <Strangerke|work> L0ngcat: Also I doubt they would keep this engine
[16:02] <Strangerke|work> it's not a Blizzard engine
[16:03] <L0ngcat> Strangerke|work: Obviously, there exist copies of the beta. There is a whole playthough on youtube. Blizzard only needs to release this :P But yeah, not a big chance that will happen anytime soon
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[16:04] <L0ngcat> the developer was Russian (_sev: you should have tea with these guys)
[16:05] <wanwan> m_kiewitz: which one?
[16:05] <m_kiewitz> dune 1, the original. the adventure game
[16:05] <m_kiewitz> with a few RTS bits
[16:06] <wanwan> yes, i got that. i mean, what the other engine/game you compare it to?
[16:07] <Strangerke|work> losteden
[16:08] <wanwan> hm? like i said earlier, they have a number of common parts. but since these engines are not scripted, each game adds its own code
[16:08] <m_kiewitz> i thought there was some cryo engine
[16:08] <m_kiewitz> some said something like that in the last few days
[16:09] <wanwan> yes, later they moved to those fps adventures made on their omni3d engine
[16:09] <wanwan> *first person
[16:10] <wanwan> started from atlantis or a bit earlier
[16:11] <wanwan> not sure if these will be actually legal in scummvm, due to their fake 3d nature
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[16:36] <WooShell> meow =^.^=
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[17:32] <GitHub19> scummvm/master b9badf6 Walter van Niftrik: ADL: Fix gfx vs console init order
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[17:44] <m_kiewitz> anyone on here that is able to read turkish?
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[17:54] <Sir_Burpalot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l121szCAGMU
[17:54] <Sir_Burpalot> I did it, hah.
[17:55] <Sir_Burpalot> The Monkey Island theme on a router.
[17:57] <_sev> Sir_Burpalot: Incredible
[17:57] <_sev> Sir_Burpalot: Do you mind if I post it from ScummVM account?
[17:58] <Sir_Burpalot> No, no objections here.
[18:00] <_sev> cool
[18:00] <wanwan> unbelievable
[18:04] <wanwan> what left is to sync those leds with tones :)
[18:05] <Sir_Burpalot> You know, that can probably actually be done.
[18:06] <_sev> right, that would be even cooler
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[18:23] <m_kiewitz> nice work Sir_Burpalot. Reminds me of those people, that managed to make floppy drives to make music
[18:25] <wanwan> those are cool too, but i prefer Smooth McGroove :) (watch him, if did not yet)
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[18:37] <t0by> Sir_Burpalot: O_o
[18:37] <Sir_Burpalot> Hah.
[18:38] <Sir_Burpalot> I had to use a special build of DOSBox to rip the music and then write a Ruby script to convert it into MikroTik commands.
[18:38] <t0by> Kudos.
[18:38] <t0by> (I see you, too, appreciate fine organ playing.)
[18:39] <Sir_Burpalot> Absolutely.
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[19:31] <wanwan> Strangerke: this certainly doesn't looks like "0% FMV to me :) - https://youtu.be/psGzadrkjA0?t=18
[19:35] <wanwan> kinda trippy game, though. i wonder what they were smoke...
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[20:11] <Strangerke> wanwan: I was talking about Exxos games, so obviously about Captain Blood
[20:11] <Strangerke> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA_C-bunTOA
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[20:14] <m_kiewitz> Exxos?
[20:14] <m_kiewitz> They also called the Dune Soundtrack "Exxos" lol
[20:15] <Strangerke> m_kiewitz: it's the company before Cryo, by the same guys
[20:15] <Strangerke> I think they only released jewels
[20:16] <m_kiewitz> sneaky
[20:16] <m_kiewitz> the soundtrack CD for the game Dune is ultra rare...
[20:16] <m_kiewitz> i own 2 :P
[20:17] <m_kiewitz> but yeah they were masters
[20:19] <Strangerke> I still LOVE Captain Blood, Teenage Queen, Kult and Purple Saturn Day...
[20:19] <wanwan> are you sure you own only two? maybe there's more and that's why it's so rare now :)
[20:19] <Strangerke> those guys were crazily creative
[20:19] <Strangerke> I own 2 copies of Kult :P
[20:19] <Strangerke> And 2 copies of The Short Grey! Woohoo! THAT'S rare :D
[20:21] <Strangerke> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeyZ57rWdGg
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[20:24] <m_kiewitz> wanwan: i got lucky once, some large ebay used items seller sold them for 2 bucks or so
[20:24] <m_kiewitz> had no idea what he was selling. i grabbed both of course
[20:24] <Strangerke> If you see more... tell us :)
[20:25] <m_kiewitz> heh sure
[20:25] <m_kiewitz> i waited ages
[20:26] <m_kiewitz> and then ... dune soundtrack 2 bucks. I was o_O
[20:26] <Strangerke> :o
[20:30] <snover> man, this channel is even nerdier than usual today. keep up the good work! 👍
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[20:33] <m_kiewitz> lol
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[21:27] <waltervn> --******************************
[21:27] <waltervn> \\
[21:28] <waltervn> whoops, sorry
[21:28] <wanwan> ouch, how many icons in that Commander Blood's talk menu? you need to learn them all?
[21:30] <Strangerke> yep, that helps :)
[21:31] <wanwan> insane!
[21:32] <Strangerke> And as you play, your hand shakes more and more :D
[21:35] <snover> is there a way to associate metadata (other than version) with a save game, and i am just not seeing it?
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[21:55] <m_kiewitz> waltervn: where there special apple II versions as well? with added features like the AGI games?
[22:03] <waltervn> it's only Apple II, but we had no Apple II platform define, so I used IIgs
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[22:05] <waltervn> AGI has II and IIgs versions, but AFAIK ADL has only II
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[22:05] <Henke37> director support looks interesting
[22:06] <Henke37> there were tons of swedish director children games in the late 90
[22:09] <waltervn> m_kiewitz: it should be noted that the pre-agi game "winnie" is also detected as a IIgs game, but it's an Apple IIe game
[22:13] <m_kiewitz> damn, maybe we should have called it Apple II only
[22:15] <waltervn> what's 'it' in that sentence?
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[22:45] <m_kiewitz> waltervn: the platform inside ScummVM, or wait was it actually called Apple II only?
[22:45] <m_kiewitz> ah we actually have "Apple II" and "Apple IIgs" :P
[22:45] <m_kiewitz> i didn't know that
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