ScummVM IRC Log - 05 Jan 2012

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[00:30] <DrMcCoy> :(
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[00:56] <nutron> :o
[00:56] <nutron> colon-oh
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[01:08] <clone2727> >:(
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[03:09] <Endy> Hallo hallo.
[03:10] <clone2727> Endy!
[03:11] <DrMcCoy> Endy!!!111
[03:11] <Endy> Howdy DrMr2727
[03:11] <DrMcCoy> o_O
[03:19] <Endy> Terrible combination, you think? :)
[03:19] <clone2727> Yes.
[03:19] <clone2727> :P
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[08:03] <fuzzie> morning
[08:04] <madmoose> morn
[08:04] <fuzzie> wjp: oh you did annotate the calculatePoint function :) thanks
[08:07] <wjp> just a bit :-)
[08:08] <wjp> and morning
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[09:03] <fuzzie> LordHoto: I don't get it, why can you get a nicer backtrace from an assert than an error message?
[09:04] <LordHoto> fuzzie: because an assert allows you to just type "bt", while calling error just quits the program, doesn't it?
[09:06] <fuzzie> oh, I see, fatalError() usually does exit(1) :(
[09:06] <LordHoto> fuzzie: yup
[09:06] <fuzzie> maybe it would be nice to improve *that*, then, even to the point of calling the backtrace() stuff on glibc
[09:07] <fuzzie> but thanks
[09:07] <LordHoto> maybe ;-)
[09:07] <LordHoto> I can't even remember where I wrote that though
[09:07] <fuzzie> the pull request about OOB seeking in the stream classes
[09:07] <LordHoto> ah right
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[09:14] <LordHoto> *sigh* gcc is just nice sometimes, for example if when I enable optimizations on one machine the program starts to run slower on another it actually gets faster
[09:15] <LordHoto> slower,*
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[09:21] <fuzzie> LordHoto: welcome to compiler optimisation? :)
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[09:23] <fuzzie> there's all kinds of hilarious papers about genetic algorithms/annealing/etc to choose the optimal compiler flags, it's so horrifyingly wrong
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[09:24] <fuzzie> although if it's really going from no optimisations to something like -Os and it gets slower, i think "you broke it" might be in order
[09:25] <LordHoto> no -Os makes stuff faster on the former system
[09:25] <LordHoto> just -O1 and -O2 make stuff slower
[09:29] <CIA-37> Johannes Schickel master * rc2c8108 / graphics/png.h : GRAPHICS: The PNG decoder is not used by our GUI. - http://git.io/QPzAtQ
[09:30] <LordHoto> oh well not that it's a target machine, so I don't really care, I just hope this won't happen when actually trying the code on the target hardware :-P
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[10:08] <dhewg> a smaller code size (-Os) will yield less cache misses
[10:09] <fuzzie> well, it's interesting given that -O1 should thereotically not give you larger code size than -O0
[10:09] <dhewg> thats why i use -Os for everything on wii
[10:09] <fuzzie> but yes, that's why I asked if it was slower with -Os :-p
[10:09] <dhewg> ;)
[10:10] <fuzzie> I expect it is just the universe conspiring against LordHoto in unpredictable ways.
[10:10] <dhewg> so uhm, i should prolly start looking at the rusty droid port again sometime soon, right?
[10:10] <dhewg> did it land in market yet?
[10:10] <fuzzie> yes, I built a 1.4.0 for market
[10:11] <dhewg> nice
[10:12] <dhewg> with plugins or a mono build?
[10:12] <fuzzie> with plugins!
[10:12] <dhewg> heh
[10:12] <dhewg> every one as single package?
[10:12] <fuzzie> yeah :(
[10:12] <dhewg> i remember that this didnt work somehow on some recent droid pad?
[10:12] <wjp> does give interesting popularity data, on the plus side
[10:13] <fuzzie> sensible thing to do would be just to provide a few bundles
[10:13] <dhewg> motorolla something iirc
[10:13] <fuzzie> no, I fixed the plugins :)
[10:13] <dhewg> wooo!
[10:13] <dhewg> what was the problem?
[10:13] <fuzzie> new security restrictions in 3.x blocking the plugin announcements
[10:13] <dhewg> heh
[10:14] <fuzzie> i also moved savegames to sdcard by default and randomly fiddled a bit
[10:15] <dhewg> sweet
[10:15] <fuzzie> my todo list has 'expand HTC fail to cover new exciting fail by other vendors' and 'add stupid mouse delay for gob' on it, but I might actually get around to those myself at some point, you never know
[10:15] <dhewg> ohgawd
[10:15] <dhewg> i was just a little motivated and you had to mention HTC?
[10:16] <dhewg> damnyou
[10:16] <fuzzie> :-)
[10:16] <fuzzie> I went out and bought a Galaxy Tab 8.9 in November, so I have been enjoying Samsung fail instead, but thankfully not with graphics drivers.
[10:16] <dhewg> heh
[10:17] <dhewg> yeah, they all have their slice of fail
[10:17] <fuzzie> but you've cleverly missed excitement like the user reporting a quarter-size scummvm when they had a system-wide opengl hack which quartered texture sizes enabled.
[10:17] <dhewg> whats the point of that?
[10:18] <fuzzie> apparently for allowing newer games to run on older devices with limited texture memory
[10:18] <fuzzie> it *does* come documented with a big warning about it breaking 2D games
[10:22] <fuzzie> but something to miss, I feel
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[10:49] <dhewg> fuzzie: whats 981b1cdd about?
[10:49] <fuzzie> dhewg: <new> header for placement new
[10:50] <dhewg> ah
[10:50] <spk64> quick question, do not know exactly but has one of the Admin received an email from me? (pastebin.com links)
[10:50] <dhewg> did that fix a compile error?
[10:50] <fuzzie> dhewg: yes, it is a dependency now
[10:50] <dhewg> and that doesnt break anything?
[10:51] <dhewg> i remember something about stl, libstc++, static constructors and crashes
[10:51] <fuzzie> yes, this is not libstdc++
[10:51] <fuzzie> just the header
[10:51] <dhewg> ok, so no new link time dependency?
[10:51] <fuzzie> nope; an alternative would be just copy-and-pasting the relevant bits into an #ifdef, just seemed more sensible to include it this way
[10:52] <dhewg> yeah, sounds good to me
[10:52] <fuzzie> see 5647637ea2d239681a9dc0facc4071e33235fe4f
[10:54] <spk64> quick question, has one of the Admin received an email from me? (includes pastebin.com links)
[10:56] <Strangerke> hi spk64
[10:56] <spk64> hey ho
[10:56] <Strangerke> I've currently 3398 unreqd ;qilsm so it ;qy be
[10:56] <Strangerke> grml
[10:56] <Strangerke> my keyboard switched to qwerty
[10:57] <Strangerke> let me check
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[10:57] <spk64> keyboard layouts^^ it makes my day XD
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[12:18] <_sev__> fuzzie: here?
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[12:26] <fuzzie> yes - am keeping an eye on IRC but I'm not at a computer so am slow
[12:27] <_sev> fuzzie: could you please upload some composer demos and put on our demos page?
[12:27] <_sev> fuzzie: no hurry, but wouldn't hurt
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[12:27] <fuzzie> sure, will try to do
[12:28] <_sev> :)
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[14:16] <CIA-37> Strangerke master * re914ec5 / (3 files): TSAGE: R2R - Implement scene 3900 - http://git.io/Wht2Fg
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[19:55] <sirlemonhead> hi guys
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[20:16] <matan> hey lemonhead
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[20:31] <sirlemonhead> matan: how's things?
[20:31] <matan> awesome
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[20:34] <sirlemonhead> :)
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[21:17] <CIA-37> Strangerke master * r8e54ddf / (4 files in 2 dirs): TSAGE: R2R - Implement scene 1010 - http://git.io/Q2pfWw
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[23:14] <CIA-37> Strangerke master * rf5c54bd / (3 files): TSAGE: R2R - Implement scene 1020 - http://git.io/wHDNiQ
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